ENIC - The Poll

[13VanDerBale13]

We will never be ambitious enough under this ownership, to achieve anything of note …

 

[bc205]

How do you know we tried our best? It says he considered the offer, maybe he knew he could get higher wages elsewhere? Show me a report on what wages he was offered. Was a fee even agreed? If so show me the report? There's many examples of Levy moving goalposts last minute, did he really want to spend that then nothing, maybe he wanted a Rivaldo letter? You're filling in alot of blanks yourself with your own bias. Also people have come to viewpont that ENIC don't back their managers over years and many managers as examples, not one report on sky sports about one transfer, where so many variables aren't discussed, and there's no way Poch was happy getting nobody in 18 and little in Jan 19, he said as much in the fall, don't think he was mad at De Jong with all his quotes...

On you're last point as you seem so eager to defend ENIC interested to hear your valid sticks?

Ha, so it's jist all Levy's fault every time. I'm the one filling in all the blanks with bias am i...

I think it's fair to say that our long term transfer strategy has been poor and that our failure to sign anyone that summer was illustrative of that. I think Poch and Levy were not working well together at that point and both probably deserve some blame for that. Although Levy would deserve most of it in my view.

But it makes no sense to argue that Levy wasn't backing Poch at all when we tried to sign De Jong for what would have been a large transfer fee.

 

[DarwinSpur]

Meh - happy enough with Enic as long as they continue to use the stadium income to compete (as much as possible) with the Oil slavers.

Not averse to new ownership as long as they're not State Sportswashing enterprises which shouldn't be allowed in Sport any way.

Shrug

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Ha, so it's jist all Levy's fault every time. I'm the one filling in all the blanks with bias am i...

I think it's fair to say that our long term transfer strategy has been poor and that our failure to sign anyone that summer was illustrative of that. I think Poch and Levy were not working well together at that point and both probably deserve some blame for that. Although Levy would deserve most of it in my view.

But it makes no sense to argue that Levy wasn't backing Poch at all when we tried to sign De Jong for what would have been a large transfer fee.

woulda coulda shoulda eh, but in end just another wasn't...

btw I usually reference ENIC rather than Levy, Joe is happy with the job or lack thereof Dan is doing so deserves equal heat.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

I am also a bit meh with the whole ENIC ownership and have been for a while, but will have to admit not as passionate as a lot on the subject. They need to sell up and would like them to go (more on the well yes but make sure it’s done with a smooth transition).

As a teenager I was more passionate about ENIC getting out (in the minority) and devastated with the way Martin Jol was sacked at half time vs Getafe in the UEFA Cup / Europa game ( I was there and it was one of the weirdest atmospheres that I can remember at a football match).

Under the ENIC ownership I feel like most, just fed up as we’ve gone through the same old cycle. We just need to be taken to the next level, the foundations are there for Spurs. From only being in Europe for three seasons in the 1990s, three in the 2000s and since 2010 every season in a European competition that is a decent turnaround but the conversion rate into trophies hasn’t been. We need them to, hopefully, responsibly hand over the club to a new owner(s) who will consistently invest not only in the squad but an identity / philosophy root and branch. A cohesive plan, fan reconnection, communicative culture (not candy floss tweets) actual narrative between fans and club.

 

[nico97531]

Arsenal haven't been in the champions league for 6 years

Which is where we’re heading if no changes are made

 

[Dazzazzad]

Which is where we’re heading if no changes are made

Why would an ownership that got us regularly into the CL suddenly now, a couple years into having increased financial clout and starting to spend at a much greater clip, drop us to half a decade outside of the CL?

I think it's more likely (or at least as likely) new ownership would send us backwards. And changing ownership isn't an easy thing (as the anti enic supporters are finding) - it could be a decade or 2 stuck with them.

At least with Levy I feel he gives a shit about the club, he's a steady steward and under him history says we'll either be in the mix or a few steps away from being back in the mix pretty quickly.

 

[TheSpillage]

I suppose I don’t really understand why so many are suddenly so passionately anti-ENIC. This really wasn’t the sense during the summer. Vast majority were happy with the business and pleased that we’d finally spent £60 million on a back-up striker. The board were probably in their most popular place in years at that point.

They haven’t done anything since then as far as I’m aware to warrant such a strong change of feeling - other than the murmurings of ITK.

I am of the opinion that if we were in 3-4th place and Arsenal in 6th then we just wouldn’t be so angry about ENIC. For the record, I’m not saying I’m pro-Levy but this sudden torrent of ENIC out (yes, I know there’s been plenty pushing for it over the years but not on this scale) feels a little bit like a kid who begged their dad to buy them a new toy, was really happy and excited when it arrived, but then got furiously angry and took it all out on dad when the toy turned out to be crap and the kid next door got a Playstation 5. Or something like that, I haven’t really thought that through…

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I think it's more likely (or at least as likely) new ownership would send us backwards. And changing ownership isn't an easy thing (as the anti enic supporters are finding) - it could be a decade or 2 stuck with them.

Curiosity got the better of me - so I did some digging.

Of the 20 current PL teams - all have changes ownership at least once, since 2000. Many teams have changed hands a few times over that period.

16 teams have changed hands since 2010 - at least once.

10 teams have changed hands, at least once, since 2015.

4 teams have changed ownership since 2020.

The Glazer family have the second longest tenure - to ENIC - having acquired a controlling interest in 2005, and they look like they will sell before the end of the season.

Big 6
Chelsea - 2022
Arsenal - 2011
Liverpool - 2010 - for sale
Man City - 2008
Man United - 2005
Spurs - 2000 (ENIC took control, though they did not gain a majority of shares until later)


Its time for a change.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Why would an ownership that got us regularly into the CL suddenly now, a couple years into having increased financial clout and starting to spend at a much greater clip, drop us to half a decade outside of the CL?

I think it's more likely (or at least as likely) new ownership would send us backwards. And changing ownership isn't an easy thing (as the anti enic supporters are finding) - it could be a decade or 2 stuck with them.

At least with Levy I feel he gives a shit about the club, he's a steady steward and under him history says we'll either be in the mix or a few steps away from being back in the mix pretty quickly.

In the mix for what?

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

In the mix for what?

Stadium has won more trophies than the club...

 

[Jamturk]

This is like the Brexit referendum.

Status Quo vs Dreamland

Dreamland will always win.

 

[TonyK]

I’m shocked that after 23 years of winning fucking nothing there are still ‘fans’ willing to give ENIC their backing.
Fuck me.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Success is relative, we are certainly a lot bigger club than Wigan. They have without doubt down enough to stabilise us, we are going to be 3-8th or so each season and enough will be spent to keep that position.

We have little to no ambition to win cups or go for the league so it’s top 4 trophy each season as the goal. We don’t even have the goal to entertain as Levy showed hiring AVB, Nuno, Jose and to some extent Conte.

we have a brilliant stadium with an elite manager and we charge the highest prices around but the show we offer is one of the dullest. In a normal market we would be out of business but fans are loyal so that doesn’t happen.

the club has continuous failed to show a football plan.

Do we want to be entertainers? No

Do we want to push for a league title? No

Do we want to be ahead of the curve with scouting/coaching/tactics? No

So what are we. We appear to be a fur coat no knickers team. The trappings of success with great stadium, high prices and fancy manager but none of the players or underlying ideas to be a great one. We are a surface level successful club without actually being one. That comes down to football strategy, we don’t really have one, it’s all wing it. There is no depth to Levy or the board when it comes to football, it’s all show.

? spot on

 

[bc205]

I’m shocked that after 23 years of winning fucking nothing there are still ‘fans’ willing to give ENIC their backing.
Fuck me.

You don't get to decide who the proper 'fans' are.

Success means different things to different people. Personally i don't care very much about winning the odd cup. I care much more about champions league qualification and the longer term health of the club. I think overall ENIC have done far more good than harm in their tenure and am grateful we didn't end up like Everton or Villa.

Now i also have frustrations with ENIC and Levy in particular. I can understand why people are keen for richer owners and are desperate to win things.

But it's just stupid to pretend that there isn't a good reason why some people are happy with ENIC as owners. Questioning whether those people are proper fans is also especially childish.

I really don't understand the levels of anger and entitlement from many people on this board. You act like we have spent the last few years in a relegation fight rather than playing in cup finals and European football. I could understand it if we had been at the level Man U/Liverpool were, but it's not as if we were winning much before ENIC.

 

[G Ron]

I can't understand how people are arguing against this.

There has been a demonstrably clear shift in willingness to spend post Covid and stadium.

But still getting outspent by West Ham and the scum despite us having far larger revenues on Matchday and from the CL……………

 

[G Ron]

? “Steady economic strength. You’ll never sing that”!! I think every genuine supporter of this club is so bored of this tired apologist argument. “Steady economic strength” only has value if it translates into a willingness to win things. Unfortunately it’s clear that the ceiling for ambition under these owners appears to be “top 4 and top 20 in Europe”.
You, like them, seem content with that. Well, good for you! But after 22 years, 1 trophy, the highest ticket prices in the country and the promise that the stadium would be a “game changer”, I’d say about 86% of the fan base disagrees with you. If you’re as frustrated as you say you are then make your voice heard. Or don’t. As is your choice. But don’t sneer at those that are protesting for change and trivialise our grievances as just “going on a bit”.
ENIC Out

This post deserved more than just a winner ??????

 

[Metalhead]

People consistently go back to money spent when the decision making is a lot of the reason why people have misgivings about the current ownership.

 

[Galactico14]

If we manage to get Porro over the line, you can bet that Conte will not be around next season (for whatever reason) after us having signed 2 decent wing backs in Porro and Udogie to play in his preferred system. Levy will then appoint yet another manager who will probably prefer a straight back four and it will be back to square one again.

That’s exactly why I have a lot of sympathy for Emerson Royal who is good defensively and was brought in under Nuno to play in a 442. Next thing, AC has arrived and Emerson is expected to change his game to a wing back overnight.

The lack of planning at the club is shocking!

That’s the job of the director or football? One system from top to bottom.

 

[G Ron]

Why would an ownership that got us regularly into the CL suddenly now, a couple years into having increased financial clout and starting to spend at a much greater clip, drop us to half a decade outside of the CL?

I think it's more likely (or at least as likely) new ownership would send us backwards. And changing ownership isn't an easy thing (as the anti enic supporters are finding) - it could be a decade or 2 stuck with them.

At least with Levy I feel he gives a shit about the club, he's a steady steward and under him history says we'll either be in the mix or a few steps away from being back in the mix pretty quickly.

Nonsense. New ownership is the only way we’re going to be able to compete with City, Chelsea, United, Newcastle etc. Then you have Liverpool and the scum who will continue to spend. Meanwhile our scattergun approach looking for the next bargain will continue.

Even now, despite record revenues etc we still hear from Conte that we have to operate in a different way to the others and it’s because our owners are reluctant to spend.