New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Khilari]

No we were arguing large numbers want to stand, we’ve gone to the south stand where we are trying to create an atmosphere and be with likeminded supporters who also want to stand.
And you’re complaining about intolerance.... jeez

So we’ve established that persistent standing is currently against the rules but you’re doing it anyway because you and others there want to.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Fuck me, we don't half sound like a bunch of unusually well-educated West Ham fans at times on here at the mo.

Biggest problem seems to be people expecting an absolutely bespoke experience, while forgetting that it's an arena for 60,000+ that's only just opened and is ticking as many boxes as possible.

 

[Lighty64]

My guess is that they would on the basis of having "fewer steps" or an "easier access route" - it'd certainly be the sensible option imo. Even if they didn't - just personally I'd prefer to miss a few games occasionally than always have to sit down in an area with poorer atmosphere, but that's just me.

I agree that it's not massively safe, although I'd be astonished to see any fatalities let alone Hillsbrough. We presumably aren't going to have a police force going haywire or a reenforced fence at the bottom. But yeah, people will get hurt whether thats the normal grazed shin on the seat in front or something a bit more serious. Ideally you have safe standing properly legalised, and then roughly the same proportion of standing sections with rails etc as you do people who want to stand.

The poor atmosphere? I really do not understand people on here. If you got a gob and ate are someone that sings, it isn’t any louder because your standing up

I am talking upper tier the section without railing. I am telling you if someone fell forward even half way up, especially if they are a lump like me, you’re not talking bruising. That is friggin steep

 

[cider spurs]

I'm on the fence with this one.

Gonna stand on my chair.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm on the fence with this one.

Gonna stand on my chair.

 

[Hoopspur]

Consideration for those around you. In the South (where we are), where just about everyone is actually sitting around us, one solitary geezer is standing in front of you, then it’s either a protest against the club, a seeming unity with fans elsewhere or a ‘look at how big my bollocks are’. Whatever it is, it has blatant disregard for those around you. Think about others also, you t**t!

 

[JCRD]

Agree and have to note that this is a high quality rant David ;-)

It is a very eloquent rant, which I enjoyed reading

 

[Lighty64]

Quite sad to see some of the “fuck you” comments in here tonight. We are all fans. We all want to see the game. I don’t disagree with standing if you have to. In the right areas. I take my 12 year old to most games and I purposely didn’t look in the south when getting my ST’s as he said he wanted to see the game. And not have someone stand in front of him the whole game. We are middle tier in the north stand and have an excellent view. And excellent atmosphere and people only really stand when the ball heads towards the touch line. Maybe people need to be a bit more sensitive to who is around them. Maybe even offer to swap seats for the game if there is an old boy or junior behind them. We are all one family right? We all want a great atmosphere. People just do it in their own way...

Not sure if you’ve noticed it, but you might of had a PM off of @Rob that needs to be read mate

 

[Rob]

Not sure if you’ve noticed it, but you might of had a PM off of @Rob that needs to be read mate

He hasn't as google hasn't caught him yet but thanks for flagging it (grass )

 

[Yid121]

if you can't shout sitting down, then perhaps you need to visit the quacks.

until safe standing is brought in, then standing effects other loyal supporters. as you have already made it known you joined the membership only recently, how would you feel if your chances where massively reduced because the authorities reduced the amount of bodies able to attend.

if I buy a season ticket in an area that's in a seating area, why should I have to struggle to watch what I paid for

Remains to be seen if that is a threat or actually a reality, don't know of lots of clubs that have had that happen to them.

And I can shout sitting down but the noise generated is much less when you're sitting than standing. It's scientifically proven and pretty obvious when most singers stand up not sit to sing. So I want to give every bit of vocal support I can. Even if my legs hurt a bit and sitting is more "comfortable".

Didn't realise there were so many sit in silence lot here, good news hopefully meaning the eventual 10k standing will not be quite as impossible to get tickets for as I thought

PS I'll be in the north lower for Huddersfield so one less stander in the South

 

[Lighty64]

He hasn't as google hasn't caught him yet but thanks for flagging it (grass )

some people ignore PM's or they have me on ignore but not a grass I'd hate to lose SC


I'm going to sue Google for picking on me

 

[Lighty64]

Doesn't mean I haven't been to games pretty much every season for the last 10 years. Wish I could've afforded a ST.

And I can shout sitting down but the noise generated is much less when you're sitting than standing. It's scientifically proven and pretty obvious when most singers stand up not sit to sing. So I want to give every bit of vocal support I can. Even if my legs hurt a bit and sitting is more "comfortable".

Didn't realise there were so many sit in silence lot here, good news hopefully meaning the eventual 10k standing will not be quite as impossible to get tickets for as I thought

PS I'll be in the north lower for Huddersfield so one less stander in the South

mate I'm not a sit in silence and have proof on here, I just can't name him

I sang the whole match, against City sitting down, and I wasn't any quieter. we all know the lower South is due for safe standing, and has barriers in place, the masses in the steeper bank don't have those barriers, nor does the rest of the stadium, but it's occurring everywhere with the standing. if I was offered a ticket in the lower I wouldn't take it, because I know I'd be in too much discomfort

 

[Hoopspur]

Remains to be seen if that is a threat or actually a reality, don't know of lots of clubs that have had that happen to them.

And I can shout sitting down but the noise generated is much less when you're sitting than standing. It's scientifically proven and pretty obvious when most singers stand up not sit to sing. So I want to give every bit of vocal support I can. Even if my legs hurt a bit and sitting is more "comfortable".

Didn't realise there were so many sit in silence lot here, good news hopefully meaning the eventual 10k standing will not be quite as impossible to get tickets for as I thought

PS I'll be in the north lower for Huddersfield so one less stander in the South

Think we need an additional rating in here

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Sometimes Trevor Noah bears an alarming resemblance to Jermaine Jenas.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I understand the point of view about being considerate and not being pricks for the sake of it, but historically the South stand/Park Lane (especially the lower) has always been ,unofficially, standing and the place that generates the most atmosphere. Anyone buying tickets in the new Park Lane, that has been to WHL, would have known that... If this new stadium is going to generate the atmosphere it needs, we can't gentrify the South stand...it's got to be boisterous and people have got to be able to stand. Huge swathes of the stadium will be accessible and appropriate for those that want to quietly spectate or sit and spectate or sit and sing or whatever other variable you may fit in to...

 

[Hoopspur]

I understand the point of view about being considerate and not being pricks for the sake of it, but historically the South stand/Park Lane (especially the lower) has always been ,unofficially, standing and the place that generates the most atmosphere. Anyone buying tickets in the new Park Lane, that has been to WHL, would have known that... If this new stadium is going to generate the atmosphere it needs, we can't gentrify the South stand...it's got to be boisterous and people have got to be able to stand. Huge swathes of the stadium will be accessible and appropriate for those that want to quietly spectate or sit and spectate or sit and sing or whatever other variable you may fit in to...

I don’t recall the Park Lane Upper standing. Lower yes, and roughly 3k people. The stand is now 17.5k people. You cannot expect them all to want to stand surely? This is also an area of the stadium open to concessions. I understand the safe standing area, but above also?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I don’t recall the Park Lane Upper standing. Lower yes, and roughly 3k people. The stand is now 17.5k people. You cannot expect them all to want to stand surely? This is also an area of the stadium open to concessions. I understand the safe standing area, but above also?

I would expect standing in the South Stand below the wheel chair seats.

 

[nicdic]

I understand the point of view about being considerate and not being pricks for the sake of it, but historically the South stand/Park Lane (especially the lower) has always been ,unofficially, standing and the place that generates the most atmosphere. Anyone buying tickets in the new Park Lane, that has been to WHL, would have known that... If this new stadium is going to generate the atmosphere it needs, we can't gentrify the South stand...it's got to be boisterous and people have got to be able to stand. Huge swathes of the stadium will be accessible and appropriate for those that want to quietly spectate or sit and spectate or sit and sing or whatever other variable you may fit in to...

There haven't really been any people moaning about the South lower, the issues have all been about the North lower and upper, the west and east stands and the south upper. Basically everywhere but the South Lower.

 

[vegassd]

Surely this is all just a case of the policy having to consider as many viewpoints as possible, whereas an individual fan is likely to rate their personal opinion above others. There is no absolute right or wrong answer - they all have their merits - but the bottom line is there is a policy in place which is going to be under particular scrutiny during the opening few games. If us supporters can chill out for a few weeks I'm sure things will find a happy mid-ground.

I love the idea of the entire South being on their feet for the entirety, but what about the old timer who's been an ST holder since the 60's and can no longer stand for the full 90 minutes? Should we say "thanks for the memories" and shuffle them off to a quieter part of the stadium? Or the young lad who wants to go and watch the game with their Dad, but he's only 4 foot tall so can't see a thing. The kid doesn't attend or the Dad has to move his ST away from the South?

There are all sorts of fans who want to contribute to the atmosphere and enjoy the football at the same time. It would be nice if we could be both passionate and accommodating at the same time and stop viewing things in such a black and white way. You don't have to be labelled as a "sit for 90" or a "stand for 90" person - you just need to have a bit of respect for your fellow Spurs fan and act decently towards them. It really is that simple.

 

[JimmyG2]

Sometimes Trevor Noah bears an alarming resemblance to Jermaine Jenas.

Have you ever seen them together?