New Stadium Details And Discussions

[spursphil]

I was standing in the Paxton lower and it was the best atmosphere in that end for years.
I'm 58 and grew up watching spurs from the shelf and I really miss the terraces. The fact that we lost our terraces based on the Lies told about Hillsborough still to this day makes me angry. Everyone knows that the atmosphere at modern stadiums is in decline, Wembley was utterly horrible for generating a good atmosphere, except in the lower tiers behind the goals where fans were standing.
The club know this only too well, it's the reason they included these safe standing sections so fair play to them.
We want more standing sections not less!

 

[jimbo]

The poor atmosphere? I really do not understand people on here. If you got a gob and ate are someone that sings, it isn’t any louder because your standing up

I'm sympathetic to those who can't stand, I genuinely am. But, the atmosphere is better with standing. It's more active, more involved and it helps create the intimidating environment that will benefit us in games. I hate watching football sitting down, it seriously tarnishes my experience. You don't want your enjoyment sacrificed, and I don't want mine to be either - is it not fair to say that we should be able to find a way for all to have the best experience, not just one group or the other?

The way the tickets are done obviously needs to change in my opinion. If you need to sit for 90 mins you should be able to get a ticket in a stand where that is the norm. But equally, I don't think it's unreasonable to also have a section of the ground where standing is more acceptable (obviously continuous standing is not necessarily good, but let's say more frequent standing for want of a better phrase).

At the moment it feels like two factions trying to force their needs/preference on the other and there should be room for all. Obviously there are people who want to experience the atmosphere of the South Stand - regardless of the sitting/standing issue I'm not keen on this idea that you 'experience' it, if you're there then you should be a contributing part of it. It's a collective.

I am talking upper tier the section without railing. I am telling you if someone fell forward even half way up, especially if they are a lump like me, you’re not talking bruising. That is friggin steep

It's really not that bad, I was easily able to hop over the seats when I accidentally returned to the wrong row after half time. No danger of starting a human avalanche.

 

[Hoopspur]

Have you ever seen them together?

2 by 2?

 

[nailsy]

Another good thing to mention is I’ve eaten twice there now and the food has tasted much better than I expected. The hot dog I had last night was delicious. Unlike Wembley.

Still annoying that I have to go to the Market a Place for a burger, but I’m sure if I explore I’ll find somewhere else I can get one.

One negative though is that although prices seem reasonable re food and booze, the prices of water and soft drinks are daylight robbery. Plus oddly there’s no tea/coffee available at the touch line grills. Don’t get that at all.

The tea and coffee thing could be a health & safety thing. Taking hot drinks through a crowded area probably isn't a good idea. Not sure if they are available elsewhere?

At that point you shouldn't be going. The only reason I go to games is for the atmosphere and if 1/4 of the stands is making atmosphere and has half the people telling me to stop chanting and sit down then that isn't fair as they could be in the other 3/4s of the stadium with the sitting bunch where I wouldn't choose to sit and rather save my money not going.

The single tier was created to generate atmosphere not prawn sandwiches!

Why shouldn't he be going? He said he stood. He said his mum who can't stand didn't go though.
And no-one said anything about stopping people chanting.

Literally your only argument is "it's against the rules", which isn't a very good justification for why it shouldn't be allowed. If those rules were gone, it would be exceedingly simple to have sections of the ground for people who want or need to sit, and sections for people who want or need to stand. I really don't see the argument against that solution, so my focus would be much more on the muppet collection who made such rules despite in many cases having never attended a football match outside a corporate box rather than the fans stuck with it trying to enjoy the game in the way they always have.

Some people need or want to enjoy games sitting down. Some need or want to enjoy them standing up. Just put the two groups in different places. It doesn't need to be so complicated.

Having a separate standing section would be ideal for everyone. The problem at the moment is that you have little choice in where you go. The guy who originally mentioned this said that he had no choice about which stand he was in.

 

[jimbo]

Having a separate standing section would be ideal for everyone. The problem at the moment is that you have little choice in where you go. The guy who originally mentioned this said that he had no choice about which stand he was in.

Although he's managed to get a ticket for every game so far, which is more than I've been able to do with my membership.

If I get a ticket in, say, the West stand because that's all that's left then I'll sit. If I get a ticket in the South stand, I'll be on my feet as much as I can get away with. If there was a better selection of tickets and it was easier to choose a stand then obviously that would be a big help, but that would be complicated to bring in. I think it will settle down a bit more once it all establishes itself, give it a season or two.

To play Devil's Avocado - if you want to watch football sitting down, you get a better view in front of a TV.

 

[nailsy]

While we're on the subject of standing, and singing etc. My son wants to go to stadium. I won't be able to get him a ticket this season, so I'll probably try for the friendly against Inter. The problem I've got is that he has joint issues so he can't stand for long and he doesn't like loud noise. Where's the best place to sit? Obviously I'm going to avoid the South stand. The West Upper? I'll probably take ear plugs or headphones for him in case it's too loud, but it would be nice to find somewhere that he doesn't need them.

 

[nailsy]

Although he's managed to get a ticket for every game so far, which is more than I've been able to do with my membership.

If I get a ticket in, say, the West stand because that's all that's left then I'll sit. If I get a ticket in the South stand, I'll be on my feet as much as I can get away with. If there was a better selection of tickets and it was easier to choose a stand then obviously that would be a big help, but that would be complicated to bring in. I think it will settle down a bit more once it all establishes itself, give it a season or two.

To play Devil's Avocado - if you want to watch football sitting down, you get a better view in front of a TV.

You know watching on TV isn't the same thing. There's so much more to going to a game than just what you see on the screen in your lounge.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

The single tier was created to generate atmosphere not prawn sandwiches!

There are no prawn sandwiches on sale anywhere at the ground very disappointing, no chopped liver & onion , no salt beef sandwiches & no jewish penicillin really out of order.

 

[jimbo]

While we're on the subject of standing, and singing etc. My son wants to go to stadium. I won't be able to get him a ticket this season, so I'll probably try for the friendly against Inter. The problem I've got is that he has joint issues so he can't stand for long and he doesn't like loud noise. Where's the best place to sit? Obviously I'm going to avoid the South stand. The West Upper? I'll probably take ear plugs or headphones for him in case it's too loud, but it would be nice to find somewhere that he doesn't need them.

West or East Upper I would guess. I've only been in the South so far, and it's deafening.

Have you thought about one of the 'premium' packages, expensive but might suit as a one-off or close to?

 

[jimbo]

You know watching on TV isn't the same thing. There's so much more to going to a game than just what you see on the screen in your lounge.

I completely agree - but part of what makes it so much more is having an active crowd involved in the game. I genuinely think this stadium is worth many extra points a season compared to Wembley because of the intimidation factor, I'd hate for that to be neutered. I'm certain we will sort ourselves out in time, it's still very early days.

 

[dagraham]

While we're on the subject of standing, and singing etc. My son wants to go to stadium. I won't be able to get him a ticket this season, so I'll probably try for the friendly against Inter. The problem I've got is that he has joint issues so he can't stand for long and he doesn't like loud noise. Where's the best place to sit? Obviously I'm going to avoid the South stand. The West Upper? I'll probably take ear plugs or headphones for him in case it's too loud, but it would be nice to find somewhere that he doesn't need them.

I think the Upper North/West corner is the family section.

 

[kr1978]

While we're on the subject of standing, and singing etc. My son wants to go to stadium. I won't be able to get him a ticket this season, so I'll probably try for the friendly against Inter. The problem I've got is that he has joint issues so he can't stand for long and he doesn't like loud noise. Where's the best place to sit? Obviously I'm going to avoid the South stand. The West Upper? I'll probably take ear plugs or headphones for him in case it's too loud, but it would be nice to find somewhere that he doesn't need them.

How old is he? North upper is where the family seats are but west upper is good as well if you want somewhere not too manic.

If he hasn’t been before then a friendly is a good way to start-it’s how I introduced my daughter to matches and she is obsessed now (and would firmly be on the standing side in the sitting v standing debate )

 

[nailsy]

West or East Upper I would guess. I've only been in the South so far, and it's deafening.

Have you thought about one of the 'premium' packages, expensive but might suit as a one-off or close to?

Good thinking, but the finances won't stretch to a premium package at the moment.

I think the Upper North/West corner is the family section.

Yeah, I just wasn't sure how loud it would be.

 

[nailsy]

How old is he? North upper is where the family seats are but west upper is good as well if you want somewhere not too manic.

If he hasn’t been before then a friendly is a good way to start-it’s how I introduced my daughter to matches and she is obsessed now (and would firmly be on the standing side in the sitting v standing debate )

He's 11. He'll be almost 12 by then. I took him to a friendly a few years ago - Soldados first game - but he didn't like the noise and we had to leave before half time. He hasn't wanted to go back since.

 

[Robg75]

While we're on the subject of standing, and singing etc. My son wants to go to stadium. I won't be able to get him a ticket this season, so I'll probably try for the friendly against Inter. The problem I've got is that he has joint issues so he can't stand for long and he doesn't like loud noise. Where's the best place to sit? Obviously I'm going to avoid the South stand. The West Upper? I'll probably take ear plugs or headphones for him in case it's too loud, but it would be nice to find somewhere that he doesn't need them.

I would be surprised if there was an awful lot of noise or standing anywhere in a friendly. I'll tend to go West or East anywhere with my son, and aim to get near the front of a section and/or an end of a row so he can see if people stand up (although I still had to do a lot of lifting on Tuesday).

 

[kr1978]

He's 11. He'll be almost 12 by then. I took him to a friendly a few years ago - Soldados first game - but he didn't like the noise and we had to leave before half time. He hasn't wanted to go back since.

In that case I’d definitely go with either of the Upper sections and the friendly game to reintroduce him, crowd noise won’t be too bad and if he gets uncomfortable you can always take him out into the concourse for a hot dog or burger etc and a bit of a break

 

[jimbo]

He's 11. He'll be almost 12 by then. I took him to a friendly a few years ago - Soldados first game - but he didn't like the noise and we had to leave before half time. He hasn't wanted to go back since.

I think a friendly might be your best option then, I don't know what it was like in the other stands but the sound is really fierce when the crowd is fully up for it.

 

[dagraham]

He's 11. He'll be almost 12 by then. I took him to a friendly a few years ago - Soldados first game - but he didn't like the noise and we had to leave before half time. He hasn't wanted to go back since.

Have you thought about taking him to the Emirates instead?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

While we're on the subject of standing, and singing etc. My son wants to go to stadium. I won't be able to get him a ticket this season, so I'll probably try for the friendly against Inter. The problem I've got is that he has joint issues so he can't stand for long and he doesn't like loud noise. Where's the best place to sit? Obviously I'm going to avoid the South stand. The West Upper? I'll probably take ear plugs or headphones for him in case it's too loud, but it would be nice to find somewhere that he doesn't need them.

Upper N/W corner have family area blocks 510/511/512 very near me no standing problems and in to the two proper games up there I have not heard one piece of foul language very unusual, view is fantastic but players are quite small from up there. On the lower tier family section is I think in blocks 108/109 also N/W corner doubt there be standing problems there and so much nearer to the action. You can always try ringing the disabilities phone line at the club and ask for advice not sure what the number is but they might be able to help.

 

[Blackrat1299]

Are you certain of this?

Or, more precisely, what do you mean by this? It is not illegal to stand at a football match. Every person admitted to the stadium must be assigned to a seat - but, I don't think the laws require people to remain seated during the match.

The club might make that requirement - but I don't believe (after just a cursory review of some of the laws) there is a legal requirement to sit.

I think this will answer your question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_standing