New Stadium Details And Discussions

[easley91]

Although he's managed to get a ticket for every game so far, which is more than I've been able to do with my membership.

If I get a ticket in, say, the West stand because that's all that's left then I'll sit. If I get a ticket in the South stand, I'll be on my feet as much as I can get away with. If there was a better selection of tickets and it was easier to choose a stand then obviously that would be a big help, but that would be complicated to bring in. I think it will settle down a bit more once it all establishes itself, give it a season or two.

To play Devil's Avocado - if you want to watch football sitting down, you get a better view in front of a TV.

I am sorry. This is ridiculous. I am due knee surgery next Thursday but wanted to experience the stadium and a first team game so I got tickets for City and Huddersfield. Also, after getting through on the ticketing system the only choice you have is find a seat for me more often than not. I shouldn't be forced to not go just because I cannot stand for long periods. And let's get this straight, those who cannot stand like myself sometimes have to stand nonstop on the train travel to the game as well. Oh and having a seat on level 5 in the North stand meant a lot of stairs to be climbed. That means by the time the game kicks off I am in quite a bit of pain. No matter my health situation currently, I wanted to do all I could to go and experience the ground and the game in person. After next week my season is over and being at the first CL game is something I will always have with me.

You cannot sit there (IRONIC THAT) and tell others if they want to watch football sitting down they're better off in front of a TV. The stadium has seats, therefore they are used for sitting. What a stupid thing to say.

 

[jimbo]

I am sorry. This is ridiculous. I am due knee surgery next Thursday but wanted to experience the stadium and a first team game so I got tickets for City and Huddersfield. Also, after getting through on the ticketing system the only choice you have is find a seat for me more often than not. I shouldn't be forced to not go just because I cannot stand for long periods. And let's get this straight, those who cannot stand like myself sometimes have to stand nonstop on the train travel to the game as well. Oh and having a seat on level 5 in the North stand meant a lot of stairs to be climbed. That means by the time the game kicks off I am in quite a bit of pain. No matter my health situation currently, I wanted to do all I could to go and experience the ground and the game in person. After next week my season is over and being at the first CL game is something I will always have with me.

You cannot sit there (IRONIC THAT) and tell others if they want to watch football sitting down they're better off in front of a TV. The stadium has seats, therefore they are used for sitting. What a stupid thing to say.

Perhaps you didn't understand that I was presenting an argument, not a serious point or one I necessarily subscribe to.

However, seeing as you're here... You struggle with all aspects of going to a game. I can't give you my seat on the train, though if you asked me to and were obviously struggling I would. I can't carry you up the steps either, and I'm afraid I'd have to draw the line there regardless. So how do you manage? I suspect you just get on with it, without complaining (until you come on here), knowing that it will be difficult for you but that you want to be there. Fair play to you for that, I'd be the same - having had some pretty serious injuries myself I know what long-term pain feels like.

So there you are, in the stand - presumably arriving early so you can minimise the effect of transport congestion, make sure you have plenty of time to negotiate the stairs at your own speed, and to ensure you can have a long sit down before kick-off to recover.

The game kicks off and everyone around you stands up - perhaps you stand with them initially, but you can't manage it for long and have to sit down. Perhaps the people around you notice and try to help you, perhaps not. You stand when you can, sit when you must - but you're still there.

Otherwise, have you considered the disabled section?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think this will answer your question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_standing

I don't think it does - because my limited understanding here is that the current issue at the stadium is not about "Safe Standing" but is, rather, about "Persistent Standing".

And, while the two may be loosely related - you can have Persistent Standing without Safe-Standing.

The stadium has been future-proofed to allow safe-standing areas - but in the mean time, the club have rules against persistent standing at one's seat.

From my perspective - the club should have considered this more thoughtfully, and allowed persistent standing in specific sections - and made that known to anyone buying a ticket in that section. Having provided an area(s) for supporters who want to stand at their seats, then the club could more easily strictly enforce persistent standing in other sections.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Great wallpaper for your phone here

 

[Lighty64]

These disabled seats have been positioned so that when the people in front stand, the disabled seats can still see. It was always part of the safe standing thing when it was designed.

In the south the disabled are in perfect position, in the north they aren’t. This all started because someone I believe was in the south upper and struggling with a bad back, and someone selfish telling him to go elsewhere and not spoil the fun.

I can’t even understand people don’t even realise the dangers of standing in that upper, let’s hope I’m never proved right and anyone suffers anything serious

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Yes. For instance, I'm a former professional singer with a tenor that can be heard over any random selection of 25 nearby fans. I can do that sitting down just as easily as I can standing.

Didn't happen to appear in a bunch of Go Compare adverts, did you?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Not good

Rubbi

I was standing in the Paxton lower and it was the best atmosphere in that end for years.
I'm 58 and grew up watching spurs from the shelf and I really miss the terraces. The fact that we lost our terraces based on the Lies told about Hillsborough still to this day makes me angry. Everyone knows that the atmosphere at modern stadiums is in decline, Wembley was utterly horrible for generating a good atmosphere, except in the lower tiers behind the goals where fans were standing.
The club know this only too well, it's the reason they included these safe standing sections so fair play to them.
We want more standing sections not less!

I thought having the away supporters in the Paxton would effect the atmosphere for the worse but having read your post it could actually improve as the volume will undoubtedly increase in the North with them being next to the away supporters and the Park Lane with its huge pub n terrace should take care of itself

 

[slartibartfast]

He's 11. He'll be almost 12 by then. I took him to a friendly a few years ago - Soldados first game - but he didn't like the noise and we had to leave before half time. He hasn't wanted to go back since.

My son is like that. He's 10 now and not as bad as he was but doesnt like anything loud, even a party with music.
His first game, he was about 5 or 6 and he was fine until we scored late on and he started crying.
We went and watched us beat Arsenal though at Wembley (not as loud lol) and we had a great time.
I've commented on this before with kids hearing, you see lots of kids these days covering their ears if its loudish. Cant remember anyone doing that when I was a kid, young adult.

 

[Blackrat1299]

I don't think it does - because my limited understanding here is that the current issue at the stadium is not about "Safe Standing" but is, rather, about "Persistent Standing".

And, while the two may be loosely related - you can have Persistent Standing without Safe-Standing.

The stadium has been future-proofed to allow safe-standing areas - but in the mean time, the club have rules against persistent standing at one's seat.

From my perspective - the club should have considered this more thoughtfully, and allowed persistent standing in specific sections - and made that known to anyone buying a ticket in that section. Having provided an area(s) for supporters who want to stand at their seats, then the club could more easily strictly enforce persistent standing in other sections.

My understanding is that standing is not allowed in an all seater stadium. However the club has taken the view of building into the infrastructure safe standing areas so that when the ban has been lifted/repealed, Our club will be ready to accomodate that.

 

[jimbo]

In the south the disabled are in perfect position, in the north they aren’t. This all started because someone I believe was in the south upper and struggling with a bad back, and someone selfish telling him to go elsewhere and not spoil the fun.

You seem to have quite a one directional view of what is selfish. It's selfish for people to stand when a fan wants to sit, but it's not selfish for 15,000 fans to have to sit because of one? I want everyone who goes to Spurs to have a good time, it's a big enough stadium that there should be room for all. Let's try and make that happen. But I think you have to recognise that fans like me have just as much a right to enjoy themselves as fans like you. Let's try and be inclusive rather than force our idea of fun on others.

I can’t even understand people don’t even realise the dangers of standing in that upper, let’s hope I’m never proved right and anyone suffers anything serious

This is the second time you've said this and it's just not true. I was leaping around like a thing possessed when Son scored. At no point was there any danger. At all, ever.
If I did somehow lose my footing there's plenty of room to recover. And even if I didn't, my forward progress would be immediately arrested by the seat in front. To say nothing of the wall of fans beyond it.

 

[Bulletspur]

"Wembley", "Season Tickets", "Slope of the pitch" (guilty) and now "The merits of standing". I wonder what is going to be the next boring moan with regards to the Stadium

 

[Bulletspur]

My understanding is that standing is not allowed in an all seater stadium. However the club has taken the view of building into the infrastructure safe standing areas so that when the ban has been lifted/repealed, Our club will be ready to accomodate that.

Spot on!

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

My understanding is that standing is not allowed in an all seater stadium. However the club has taken the view of building into the infrastructure safe standing areas so that when the ban has been lifted/repealed, Our club will be ready to accomodate that.

Standing rules are club imposed - I think.

Law requires 1 seat - 1 person. But it does not require the person to remain seated in that seat.

Safe Standing is slightly different - in that when Safe Standing is implemented, the seats will be "removed" (in most cases this is done by locking the seat in an upright position, so that it can not be used as a seat, or as a bench to stand on.)

I also think, but don't know, that safe standing will increase capacity a little, as more people can safely stand in a row, than can sit.

 

[Blackrat1299]

Standing rules are club imposed - I think.

Law requires 1 seat - 1 person. But it does not require the person to remain seated in that seat.

Safe Standing is slightly different - in that when Safe Standing is implemented, the seats will be "removed" (in most cases this is done by locking the seat in an upright position, so that it can not be used as a seat, or as a bench to stand on.)

I also think, but don't know, that safe standing will increase capacity a little, as more people can safely stand in a row, than can sit.

No standing rules are imposed by order of the FA..etc as a result of the Taylor Report. You will note that Safe Standing is allowed in the lower leagues where approved type of safe standing equipment is installed.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

No standing rules are imposed by order of the FA..etc as a result of the Taylor Report. You will note that Safe Standing is allowed in the lower leagues where approved type of safe standing equipment is installed.

Is there a link to that order?

 

[Blackrat1299]

Is there a link to that order?

It was part of the link to wikipedia........these are the relevant paragraphs.

Taylor noted that the evidence he received was overwhelmingly in favour of more seating accommodation and that most was in favour of reversing the two thirds to one third standing / seating ratio.[1] The Taylor Report made 76 recommendations,[10] including that, after a given timescale, all stadia designated under the Safety of Sports Ground Act 1975 should admit spectators to seated accommodation only.[11] A number of his recommendations were not implemented, including all-seating for sports other than football.[12]
The 1989 Football Spectators Act contained a regulation requiring football grounds to become all-seated as directed by the Secretary of State.[13] This was to be overseen by the Football Licensing Authority[14] (now the Sport Grounds Safety Authority). In July 1992, the British Government announced a relaxation of the regulation for the lower two English leagues (known now as League One and League Two). The Football Spectators Act does not cover Scotland and although the Scottish Premier League chose to make all-seater stadia a requirement of league membership for some time, this rule was relaxed in December 2011.[15] In England and Wales all-seating is a requirement of the Premier League and of the Football League for clubs who have been present in the Championship for more than three seasons.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Just for clarification - "Safe Standing" <> standing in front of your seat.

Safe-Standing is a separate issue - where sections of a stadium will be deemed standing-only - by removing the seats.

Everyone would agree - that spontaneous standing - either for a developing play or goal - is permitted in every ground. The issue is "persistent standing" which is generally banned by clubs as both a safety issue, and a consideration-for-those-around-you issue.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

It was part of the link to wikipedia........these are the relevant paragraphs.

Taylor noted that the evidence he received was overwhelmingly in favour of more seating accommodation and that most was in favour of reversing the two thirds to one third standing / seating ratio.[1] The Taylor Report made 76 recommendations,[10] including that, after a given timescale, all stadia designated under the Safety of Sports Ground Act 1975 should admit spectators to seated accommodation only.[11] A number of his recommendations were not implemented, including all-seating for sports other than football.[12]
The 1989 Football Spectators Act contained a regulation requiring football grounds to become all-seated as directed by the Secretary of State.[13] This was to be overseen by the Football Licensing Authority[14] (now the Sport Grounds Safety Authority). In July 1992, the British Government announced a relaxation of the regulation for the lower two English leagues (known now as League One and League Two). The Football Spectators Act does not cover Scotland and although the Scottish Premier League chose to make all-seater stadia a requirement of league membership for some time, this rule was relaxed in December 2011.[15] In England and Wales all-seating is a requirement of the Premier League and of the Football League for clubs who have been present in the Championship for more than three seasons.

Right - "all-seater" requires that everyone who is admitted as a spectator has a defined seat.

Safe-Standing - should it be implemented - would allow stadiums to admit a number of fans who do not have a specific seat to stand in.

That is not "You must remain in your seat at all times."

 

[chrissivad]

You seem to have quite a one directional view of what is selfish. It's selfish for people to stand when a fan wants to sit, but it's not selfish for 15,000 fans to have to sit because of one? I want everyone who goes to Spurs to have a good time, it's a big enough stadium that there should be room for all. Let's try and make that happen. But I think you have to recognise that fans like me have just as much a right to enjoy themselves as fans like you. Let's try and be inclusive rather than force our idea of fun on others.

Noone has the right to stand at a football game at the moment. I hope this changes as I prefer to stand than sit as well. But for fans buying a seat at the game, yes they have the right to sit and see the game.

I don't think it's them being selfish, just wanting what they paid for.

I hope fans and clubs put pressure on who ever has the decision to let safe standing pass.
Then we will have areas where people can stand for 90mins.

Just carrying on off from your point to others...

This isn't the club that want everyone to sit, they have built a stadium so at some point we will be able to stand, but it's them that will be hit with fines ect from the fa/UEFA

 

[Spurs 1961]

I am sorry. This is ridiculous. I am due knee surgery next Thursday but wanted to experience the stadium and a first team game so I got tickets for City and Huddersfield. Also, after getting through on the ticketing system the only choice you have is find a seat for me more often than not. I shouldn't be forced to not go just because I cannot stand for long periods. And let's get this straight, those who cannot stand like myself sometimes have to stand nonstop on the train travel to the game as well. Oh and having a seat on level 5 in the North stand meant a lot of stairs to be climbed. That means by the time the game kicks off I am in quite a bit of pain. No matter my health situation currently, I wanted to do all I could to go and experience the ground and the game in person. After next week my season is over and being at the first CL game is something I will always have with me.

You cannot sit there (IRONIC THAT) and tell others if they want to watch football sitting down they're better off in front of a TV. The stadium has seats, therefore they are used for sitting. What a stupid thing to say.

Interesting to see the often selfish attitudes displayed on this site, sadly reflective of society. I guess the guy who ran onto the pitch the other day probably thinks that real fans are so excited they have to run on the pitch and people who don't should stay at home.

By the way I did get up in the lift on Tuesday. A steward saw me taking a long look at the bottom of the stairs and pointed me in the direction of the lift. Had to wait a little as one life was out of action but did get up and it was worth waiting