New Stadium Details And Discussions

[beats1]

If there are delays, this is where I think they are most likely, because they are not securely in THFC's control. They are already putting audible political pressure on various parties to get the important ancillary developments moving.

Basically this,

I havent had too much time to look in to it but I saw one statement mentioning Haringey council and TFL

I do wonder if the relative transport work isn't done and that Northumberland station and White Hart Lane Station are both under construction in a years time, whether we will be allowed to be at full capacity and pass the health & safety concerns of getting rid of 61k fans

 

[Phischy]

Great post. I hve inserted some comments below.


I see no reason of any kind why the erection of the south stand has to wait until the retractable pitch has been constructed and tested. They will just get on with building the superstructure over the basement area that is reserved for the workings and storage of the pitch. Then they can do the pitch when they're ready. I don't see any critical path that requires one to precede the other.


It's implausible to me that they would ever have a reason to slow down the build. No developer ever wants to slow down the build. It only increases costs and delays revenues. The only possible reason would be if the borrowed funds are not available on time, or if there are issues with breaching the terms of the borrowing. If that happens, then there is a lot more serious stuff wrong than staying at Wembley for an extra season. Probably macro-economic stuff, not just to do with the NDP.


Same points again. it's possible, but it's a disaster scenario. In that kind of context, staying at Wembley for an extra season is not a significant issue. Having a stadium to play in at all is a significant issue. Development is intrinsically risky, but this kind of thing is "sky-is-falling" magnitude.


If there are delays, this is where I think they are most likely, because they are not securely in THFC's control. They are already putting audible political pressure on various parties to get the important ancillary developments moving.

Thanks David

Of course there is a huge amount of guesswork, which is why I prefaced with my devil's advocate line as opposed to any kind of suggestion I know what's going on!

Of course it may very well be possible to get the South Stand up first. My point really is that as quick as that may be, we need to demolish first and the timeline for that part of the stadium looks like it's tight. By the same token it's the least affected by the progress of the rest of the build as it was always going to start in May and perhaps the only issue is if there will be people on site waiting to get in. An issue with the moving pitch would be significant though, even if it doesn't delay erecting the stand it could delay usability.

My comment on the financials was something of a 'sky is falling in' one, but really my suggestion was that if money from any anticipated source doesn't come through for whatever reason or if there's some cost issue that the club could decide to stop and wait. Obviously that's costly in itself and not expected, but Valencia tells us the sky can fall in and whilst I am sure DL has done a better planning job, it'd be shit to have one half built stadium and one half demolished one! Re-iterate that this is obviously unlikely, but we aren't looking at the books. There just might be an accountant somewhere in North London scratching his head and wondering where we're getting the money from to finish the thing!

Like I say, was speculating and throwing some possibilities out there, but appreciate your more knowledgeable input and measuring of my suggestions!

 

[whitesocks]

Spurs Wembley move in doubt after club asks for more time to clarify new stadium costs...

Say's who?

It is understood.....

 

[Phischy]

On the current situation, it is not just the structure that is going on at the moment the internals are all going on too, not just the utilities and services but fixtures and fittings and even tiling is being done, I am not convinced that we are losing much time if any.

I'm assuming you're basing this comment on the image that was released/leaked of a food outlet which is all tiled?

There is some internal fit our being done, but that specific outlet was put together to show potential operators what kind of set up will be available to them. It was sort of a 'show home', we've also put a few seats in to test them out before choosing, but it doesn't means we're at the stage of putting seating in the bowl! So yes, there is stuff being done, but there will still be a vast amount to do when the superstructure is complete.

I am of the belief that Levy is keeping his cards close to his chest and keeping options open because it is his modus operandi in order to extract the best ceal from whatever situation. But we should all be mindful that this could be real and there may be a delay. A build like this is vastly complex, beyond the comprehension of you or I. Just had a lightbulb moment whilst writing this... Funnily enough actually an uncle of mine is a guy that tends to get hired on skyscraper builds when they are falling behind with responsibility for getting them back on track. I don't know how good he is or who he knows, but maybe he can find out how things are going.

 

[worcestersauce]

I'm assuming you're basing this comment on the image that was released/leaked of a food outlet which is all tiled?

There is some internal fit our being done, but that specific outlet was put together to show potential operators what kind of set up will be available to them. It was sort of a 'show home', we've also put a few seats in to test them out before choosing, but it doesn't means we're at the stage of putting seating in the bowl! So yes, there is stuff being done, but there will still be a vast amount to do when the superstructure is complete.

I am of the belief that Levy is keeping his cards close to his chest and keeping options open because it is his modus operandi in order to extract the best ceal from whatever situation. But we should all be mindful that this could be real and there may be a delay. A build like this is vastly complex, beyond the comprehension of you or I. Just had a lightbulb moment whilst writing this... Funnily enough actually an uncle of mine is a guy that tends to get hired on skyscraper builds when they are falling behind with responsibility for getting them back on track. I don't know how good he is or who he knows, but maybe he can find out how things are going.

I sometimes think our own dear Daniel can't abide a smooth deal, if everything is going smoothly he ups the anti and pushes for more, the little rascal.

 

[N17Jack]

 

[Grey Fox]

I have heard that there is serious doubts that we will move out this summer. A number of things have to fall in line before the end of the month

I posted this in the last game at the Lane thread on 17th March

 

[Hengy1]

I posted this in the last game at the Lane thread on 17th March

Does this mean we won't be moving in within the two year timetable then?

 

[Grey Fox]

Does this mean we won't be moving in within the two year timetable then?

It means that it isn't certain we will move out this summer, I'm hearing there is a meeting tomorrow when a decision of some sort will be made.

 

[marion52]

I don't know anything but it if the transport issues aren't sorted for 61000 crowd can't we just play with a reduced capacity? Better than two seasons at Wembley.

 

[tommyt]

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West ham would be delighted with that

 

[whitesocks]

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What is holding that central pillar up?

 

[Grey Fox]

What is holding that central pillar up?

ssshhh we are trying to get this done on time

 

[StevePil]

As said earlier, there is no way we are moving out this year.

We keep saying there is 17 months to do the 3/4 of the stadium so that will be done, but is anyone thinking the staff doing that area need to start working on the south stand? and they are not going to just put extra resource in for the south stand?

IE if they delay, they can finish the 3/4 fully next year and then the following year have all resource on south stand. If finances are that tight the last thing LEvy is going to do is pay out more for more staff onsite - so yes we have 17 months in theory to complete the build but we shouldn't assume we have 17 months to finish the 3/4 of the stadium as maybe we don't if the staff were planned to finish that part by this summer

It is clear how much work still needs to be done and the last 12 months have been very impressive but I think it has been very clear over the last few weeks that this was not going to be our last year, not only due to the build, but the transport links, financials etc and LEvy missing out on a last big pay packet with merchandise for last season at the lane.

All this combined pretty much guarantees us another season at the lane, all that is missing is the official communication which I expect to see in next few days.

It is sad as really want to get Wembley season out the way but we are just going to have to be patient and give whl another send off next year.... I do wonder if Levy regrets taking down that corner now, as could have done all that this summer instead, giving him a full house this season.....!

 

[Hoopspur]

As said earlier, there is no way we are moving out this year.

We keep saying there is 17 months to do the 3/4 of the stadium so that will be done, but is anyone thinking the staff doing that area need to start working on the south stand? and they are not going to just put extra resource in for the south stand?

IE if they delay, they can finish the 3/4 fully next year and then the following year have all resource on south stand. If finances are that tight the last thing LEvy is going to do is pay out more for more staff onsite - so yes we have 17 months in theory to complete the build but we shouldn't assume we have 17 months to finish the 3/4 of the stadium as maybe we don't if the staff were planned to finish that part by this summer

It is clear how much work still needs to be done and the last 12 months have been very impressive but I think it has been very clear over the last few weeks that this was not going to be our last year, not only due to the build, but the transport links, financials etc and LEvy missing out on a last big pay packet with merchandise for last season at the lane.

All this combined pretty much guarantees us another season at the lane, all that is missing is the official communication which I expect to see in next few days.

It is sad as really want to get Wembley season out the way but we are just going to have to be patient and give whl another send off next year.... I do wonder if Levy regrets taking down that corner now, as could have done all that this summer instead, giving him a full house this season.....!

Don't do it to yourself unless you really have some inside news. My thought is wait and see.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

As said earlier, there is no way we are moving out this year.

We keep saying there is 17 months to do the 3/4 of the stadium so that will be done, but is anyone thinking the staff doing that area need to start working on the south stand? and they are not going to just put extra resource in for the south stand?

IE if they delay, they can finish the 3/4 fully next year and then the following year have all resource on south stand. If finances are that tight the last thing LEvy is going to do is pay out more for more staff onsite - so yes we have 17 months in theory to complete the build but we shouldn't assume we have 17 months to finish the 3/4 of the stadium as maybe we don't if the staff were planned to finish that part by this summer

It is clear how much work still needs to be done and the last 12 months have been very impressive but I think it has been very clear over the last few weeks that this was not going to be our last year, not only due to the build, but the transport links, financials etc and LEvy missing out on a last big pay packet with merchandise for last season at the lane.

All this combined pretty much guarantees us another season at the lane, all that is missing is the official communication which I expect to see in next few days.

It is sad as really want to get Wembley season out the way but we are just going to have to be patient and give whl another send off next year.... I do wonder if Levy regrets taking down that corner now, as could have done all that this summer instead, giving him a full house this season.....!

The polite word for this post is nonsense. Or speculation.

Even if it turns out to be true, it's still nonsense. It doesn't even make sense. And it is based on absolutely nothing assertion.

It's a bit like the "I have a bad feeling about today" posts that clutter up every match thread.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Can I just clarify that the issue of moving out of WHL is not directly linked to the issue of the completion date for NWHL? I see a lot of posts trying to interpret the progress on site and draw conclusions about our intentions for next season. That logic doesn't hang together.

Let's assume that the build is running late (debatable). We still ought to be moving out now, because not doing so will, of itself, add a year to the completion programme. They cannot even start building the southern part of the new stadium until the old stadium has been demolished. So they have to get the old stadium down, so they can keep building the new stadium.

If there is a decision to be made about whether to move out now, it is not about progress with the build. It's about financing.

 

[Bulletspur]

I do wonder if Levy regrets taking down that corner now, as could have done all that this summer instead, giving him a full house this season.....!

Why would he regret? He is General Levy not Captain Hind Sight!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I have a bad feeling about this.

 

[Lilbaz]

I have a bad feeling about this.

Fuck off han.