Kevin Wimmer

[Tyler24durden]

Personally I think he should be sold and money put toward a top quality cb so we can play 3 at the back.

CCV needs to go on loan to get experience and although Poch is reluctant to do this, CCV needs to be able to play every week to develop.

Problem being is the money players are costing to get a top cb like the lad at Southampton who would be ideal.

Jonathan Tah would be my choice.

Dier would be back up and allow him to play in midfield also.

Wimmer, although he did well when he played regularly, wants a move and he won't be concentrating and focused because of this.

 

[Sweech]

Personally I think he should be sold and money put toward a top quality cb so we can play 3 at the back.

CCV needs to go on loan to get experience and although Poch is reluctant to do this, CCV needs to be able to play every week to develop.

Problem being is the money players are costing to get a top cb like the lad at Southampton who would be ideal.

Jonathan Tah would be my choice.

Dier would be back up and allow him to play in midfield also.

Wimmer, although he did well when he played regularly, wants a move and he won't be concentrating and focused because of this.

How's the top quality CB going to feel when we don't play 3 at the back and he's got to sit on the bench constantly?

 

[SpartanSpur]

How's the top quality CB going to feel when we don't play 3 at the back and he's got to sit on the bench constantly?

I personally felt it was clear towards the end of the season that Poch was gravitating back to 4-2-3-1 as the first choice formation. A lot of people on here talk about the back 3 as if it is as much of a lock here as it is somewhere like Chelsea, I don't think that's the case. The formation, despite being one I like, seemed to come about to get Dier and Wanyama on the team sheet. Later on the form of Son made things trickier and pushed the 4-2-3-1 back in, and injuries to Wanyama and Dembele kept us firmly in the 4-2-3-1. I think the goal is to be adaptable between both based on opposition and personnel available, in which case a mega CB signing doesn't really fit. It'll be interesting to see how we line up at Newcastle if we do indeed improve the squad as hoped.

If we can do something like getting Mawson for a similar price for the sale of Wimmer I'd personally be very happy with that.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I personally felt it was clear towards the end of the season that Poch was gravitating back to 4-2-3-1 as the first choice formation.

Don't think that's true. I think injuries at the time and squad availability forced his hand, IIRC.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Don't think that's true. I think injuries at the time and squad availability forced his hand, IIRC.

I do say later on that I think the plan is to be able to adapt between the two formations, so I stand by my point that I wouldn't base our signings on 3-4-2-1 being plan A. I did also mention injuries playing a part, so maybe my opening line was a bit off the mark.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...n-want-Kevin-Wimmer-lose-Virgil-van-Dijk.html

Southampton to target Kevin Wimmer if they lose Virgil van Dijk this summer

 

[DJS]

I think 3-4-2-1 should be our first choice formation if everyone fit but the worrying thing is Wimmer doesn't look as though he can play on the left of the three, which is quite disappointing.

Wimmer could probably do a decent job sandwiched between Alderweireld and Vertonghen but you do really want him to be able to cover for Vertonghen as well if Davies is unavailable as covering left wing-back (plus we haven't actually seen Davies at left centre back for us, international football can be an entirely different thing).

Poch went back to three at the back as soon as Vertonghen was fit then went back to 4-2-3-1 when Son was shit hot and Wanyama was unavailable so no-brainer to put Dier in midfield (and then just stuck to it when Dembele was unavailable and slotted Wanyama back in which didnt' actually curtail our attacking play judging by the Pro-Evo / Fifa level of goals we were scoring lol).

I think we could do with upgrading him personally, I'd like Gibson as a left-footer but he may not be happy with a bit part role.

 

[hellava_tough]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...n-want-Kevin-Wimmer-lose-Virgil-van-Dijk.html

Southampton to target Kevin Wimmer if they lose Virgil van Dijk this summer

The VVD transfer may be late in the window, so I hope we can do a quick deal for a Wimmer replacement if it goes through

On the plus side, Soton will probably pay our asking price if they've got £50 or £60 million quid burning a hole in their pocket

 

[voxy28]

I think he is unsettled and losing focus. I think either he tries to push himself to replace Vert or he goes. That is why he was brought in since Davies can cover LCB.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I had a dream Wimmer was sold last night, so there you go call it ITK or call it severe mental trauma.

Anyway all though it would be sad to see him go, at this point I feel he needs to be playing every week. He won't get that at Spurs.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

My assumption based on the ITK that has been disclosed, is Wimmer's future is solely up to him. Poch sounds happy to keep him, but if he outright wants to go and be a starter somewhere, then the club will move on. I think the 3421 vs 4231 thing is quite flexible. Dier and Wanyama as the DM option in 4231, sat alongside Dembele, both are comfortable dropping between the CB pair to make a back 3. Then either Eriksen or Alli out of the AM 3 can sit back into the CM2. Our wing backs do get freed up and have more space in 3421. Likewise, both CB's we've been media linked with this summer, Foyth and Benkovic, are young enough to come in happy as back up, and whilst both are right footed, play predominantly in the reels I've seen at LCB in a back 4. Both appear comfortable enough on the ball to slot in to our style, perhaps that's where Wimmer falls down.

Just guesswork, but we seem to be looking at adding Barkley plus a Right sided AM, but not any CB's, so doesn't appear we are looking to add depth for 3 at the back. The get out here, is the addition of Toljan or Pereira, both are comfortable at LWB, and would free Davies to play LCB in a 3.

As an observation then, Spurs seem to be looking at circa £20m for Wimmer, but media quote both Benkovic and Foyth at significantly less.

 

[allatsea]

My assumption based on the ITK that has been disclosed, is Wimmer's future is solely up to him. Poch sounds happy to keep him, but if he outright wants to go and be a starter somewhere, then the club will move on. I think the 3421 vs 4231 thing is quite flexible. Dier and Wanyama as the DM option in 4231, sat alongside Dembele, both are comfortable dropping between the CB pair to make a back 3. Then either Eriksen or Alli out of the AM 3 can sit back into the CM2. Our wing backs do get freed up and have more space in 3421. Likewise, both CB's we've been media linked with this summer, Foyth and Benkovic, are young enough to come in happy as back up, and whilst both are right footed, play predominantly in the reels I've seen at LCB in a back 4. Both appear comfortable enough on the ball to slot in to our style, perhaps that's where Wimmer falls down.

Just guesswork, but we seem to be looking at adding Barkley plus a Right sided AM, but not any CB's, so doesn't appear we are looking to add depth for 3 at the back. The get out here, is the addition of Toljan or Pereira, both are comfortable at LWB, and would free Davies to play LCB in a 3.

As an observation then, Spurs seem to be looking at circa £20m for Wimmer, but media quote both Benkovic and Foyth at significantly less.

Poch is just playing the game IMO. He can't say he wants him to go as he isn't good enough so he toes the party line so Levy can get the best price for him.

 

[S17PUR]

Absolutely no way that Levy isn't sticking another £5-10m on Wimmer's asking price if Southampton get the expected £60-70m from Liverpool for Van Dijk!

 

[voxy28]

Absolutely no way that Levy isn't sticking another £5-10m on Wimmer's asking price if Southampton get the expected £60-70m from Liverpool for Van Dijk!

Even if we get some money out of it, we might not be in time for replacements. This is the problem... and if we start going after other club players, we will have to pay premiums.

I rather we get another in if we have intention to sell. It's a totally different situation these days.

 

[yido_number1]

I think he is unsettled and losing focus. I think either he tries to push himself to replace Vert or he goes. That is why he was brought in since Davies can cover LCB.

Davies has shown he can play there for Wales but Poch has never used him there and doubt he wants to. In fact last time we needed a replacement centre back he used Wanyama over others.

 

[The Swellhead Spur]

I think 3-4-2-1 should be our first choice formation if everyone fit but the worrying thing is Wimmer doesn't look as though he can play on the left of the three, which is quite disappointing.

Wimmer could probably do a decent job sandwiched between Alderweireld and Vertonghen but you do really want him to be able to cover for Vertonghen as well if Davies is unavailable as covering left wing-back (plus we haven't actually seen Davies at left centre back for us, international football can be an entirely different thing).

Poch went back to three at the back as soon as Vertonghen was fit then went back to 4-2-3-1 when Son was shit hot and Wanyama was unavailable so no-brainer to put Dier in midfield (and then just stuck to it when Dembele was unavailable and slotted Wanyama back in which didnt' actually curtail our attacking play judging by the Pro-Evo / Fifa level of goals we were scoring lol).

I think we could do with upgrading him personally, I'd like Gibson as a left-footer but he may not be happy with a bit part role.

Dier can't and shouldn't play defensiveod infront of a back 3, DM infront of a back 4 is completely different as he can drop back to make 3 centre backs

 

[DJS]

Dier can't and shouldn't play defensiveod infront of a back 3, DM infront of a back 4 is completely different as he can drop back to make 3 centre backs

I never said he should old chap?

 

[The Swellhead Spur]

I never said he should old chap?

Read it wrong mate lol, on topic though I like Wimmer and think he will be great in afew years but cam see why he wants out

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

I think 3-4-2-1 should be our first choice formation if everyone fit but the worrying thing is Wimmer doesn't look as though he can play on the left of the three, which is quite disappointing.

Wimmer could probably do a decent job sandwiched between Alderweireld and Vertonghen but you do really want him to be able to cover for Vertonghen as well if Davies is unavailable as covering left wing-back (plus we haven't actually seen Davies at left centre back for us, international football can be an entirely different thing).

Poch went back to three at the back as soon as Vertonghen was fit then went back to 4-2-3-1 when Son was shit hot and Wanyama was unavailable so no-brainer to put Dier in midfield (and then just stuck to it when Dembele was unavailable and slotted Wanyama back in which didnt' actually curtail our attacking play judging by the Pro-Evo / Fifa level of goals we were scoring lol).

I think we could do with upgrading him personally, I'd like Gibson as a left-footer but he may not be happy with a bit part role.

Absolutely agree. I would go for Gibson and would have out of all of the 'available' CBs this season. He's English. Young at 24. Left footed so cover for Vertonghen and actually part of a a pretty good defence this year. Boro were just let down by their scoring ability. At 25m in today's market, possibly 22m, I think is a bargain for a good English CB with bags more potential too.

 

[yido_number1]

Absolutely agree. I would go for Gibson and would have out of all of the 'available' CBs this season. He's English. Young at 24. Left footed so cover for Vertonghen and actually part of a a pretty good defence this year. Boro were just let down by their scoring ability. At 25m in today's market, possibly 22m, I think is a bargain for a good English CB with bags more potential too.

No pace to play the high line. Also Boro had a good defence because Karanka like Mourinho is anti football. Very different for someone to go from a defensive deep lying team to one who play a high line and spend most of the game attacking. Besides from the ammount of credible rumours floating around it looks very much like we have scouted and sounded out Alfie Mawson.