Zeki Çelik

[C0YS]

These are some other stats, comparing the players with each other but also with averages across all the top 5 leagues. Celik is the colours, Aurier is the black border.

So, the closer to the centre you are to the chart the worse you are at it compared to other players. Similarly, if you almost fill in the space it means you are close to the best.

Keep in mind, this does take league averages into account so isn't a particularly fair comparison but yes, does hopefully show stylistic differences and potential weaknesses.

 

[C0YS]

So what I see is Aurier is much better in the air, in the duels he has contested and a much better dribbler. Defensively, they are remarkably similar, Aurier's tackle percentage is much higher but in actually tackles won they are more or less the same and both very good compared to most fullbacks, same with Pressures.

Auriers weaknesses are seem to be he is dispossessed a lot and doesn't make many forward passes, this I believe includes crosses. Celik seems much better on the ball, but both seem to excel at the same thing. Mainly, being aggressive defensively, and Celik doesn't get dispossessed anywhere near as much as Aurier.

 

[Wig]

These are some other stats, comparing the players with each other but also with averages across all the top 5 leagues. Celik is the colours, Aurier is the black border.

So, the closer to the centre you are to the chart the worse you are at it compared to other players. Similarly, if you almost fill in the space it means you are close to the best.

Keep in mind, this does take league averages into account so isn't a particularly fair comparison but yes, does hopefully show stylistic differences and potential weaknesses.

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On balance of these statistics, it looks like Aurier is overall statistically better - ahead of Celik in 7 metrics, behind in just 4, with 1 approximate draw (successful pressures).

 

[Rob]

Does that stat capture the goal a game he gives away from a stupid challenge? Someone give me xG-Conceded

 

[freeeki]

xG and all variations thereof need to be set on fire

 

[emiley heskey]

So what I see is Aurier is much better in the air, in the duels he has contested and a much better dribbler. Defensively, they are remarkably similar, Aurier's tackle percentage is much higher but in actually tackles won they are more or less the same and both very good compared to most fullbacks, same with Pressures.

Auriers weaknesses are seem to be he is dispossessed a lot and doesn't make many forward passes, this I believe includes crosses. Celik seems much better on the ball, but both seem to excel at the same thing. Mainly, being aggressive defensively, and Celik doesn't get dispossessed anywhere near as much as Aurier.

Can you do this with aurier and castagne?

 

[C0YS]

Can you do this with aurier and castagne?

I have, check the castagne thread.

 

[kcfiifotk]

Are the "tackle/dribbled past" and "times dispossessed" inverse? i.e. Are lower percentiles better?

 

[rawhide]

Whilst I appreciate a good statistical analysis as much as the next person, we need to factor in the variables and variances such as style of play, competitiveness of the league and multiple other factors which end up negating much of the ability to compare objectively on a like for like basis.

This is highlighted by the fact that people are using the same stat to prove opposing opinions on performance.

Lies, damn lies and statistics indeed.

 

[Rosco1984]

On balance of these statistics, it looks like Aurier is overall statistically better - ahead of Celik in 7 metrics, behind in just 4, with 1 approximate draw (successful pressures).

The stat that matters is that celik doesn't give the ball away at least twice a games serge tries a Cruyff turn on the edge of his own box loses the ball then panics and gives away a stupid foul trying to recover. Often this leads to either a scoring chance from a free kick or a penalty. the blokes short in the head he doesn't learn and he costs us over and over again. you can be as good statistically as you want in other areas but if your a right back and your giving free opportunities to the opposition your a liability.

 

[C0YS]

Are the "tackle/dribbled past" and "times dispossessed" inverse? i.e. Are lower percentiles better?

yeh, so the higher it is the better the stat is. So Aurier gets dispossessed more often than Celik.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

yeh, so the higher it is the better the stat is. So Aurier gets dispossessed more often than Celik.

Can’t understand things like who gets dribbled past the most. It all depends on what players each are facing.One could be up against a rubbish winger,the other up against a top speed merchant.

 

[C0YS]

On balance of these statistics, it looks like Aurier is overall statistically better - ahead of Celik in 7 metrics, behind in just 4, with 1 approximate draw (successful pressures).

I think that's a very reductive way of understanding stats. Not all stats are equal and interpretation is needed to really dig into it. For example, Aurier might have a better tackle percentage, but he seems to make the same number of successful tackles? How do you interpret that? That could suggest he isn't getting in the right positions to go for the tackle. Also changing leagues and stuff obviously has makes it haarder to compare like for like. You have to take into account stylistic changes.

So how you interpret it is everything. to me though he seems like he passes more than dribbles and they are both aggressive players. But doesn't take into account things like defensive positioning etc.

What worries me though is, dispossession stat, keep in mind this is not being dispossessed if you make a dribble, but more loss possession, by over running the ball etc. Aurier is very weak at this but Celik doesn't appear that much better, in a league that he is probably put under less pressure. What this really means is hard to say. But it is a concern.

Things like x Assists are the same, really they are both about 0.1 or whatever. But a worry is also his heading, particularly for someone who is almost 6 foot, worrying. Someone like Davies, for all that some might not like about him, his ability to win headers is a major strength, this doesn't seem like Celik's strength and this too me is worrying, for someone I assumed was a more defensive option.

But it's not the full picture, and apparently his positioning is good, and he is supposed to be very good on the ball, which is backed up by the stats here. Another thing to consider is he is 23 so has plenty of room to grow. But this reinforces my view that Castagne is the option to go for.

 

[midoNdefoe]

The stat that matters is that celik doesn't give the ball away at least twice a games serge tries a Cruyff turn on the edge of his own box loses the ball then panics and gives away a stupid foul trying to recover. Often this leads to either a scoring chance from a free kick or a penalty. the blokes short in the head he doesn't learn and he costs us over and over again. you can be as good statistically as you want in other areas but if your a right back and your giving free opportunities to the opposition your a liability.

Haven’t seen this cruyff turn incident... let alone the numerous times he’s done that...?

 

[Sweech]

Celik compared to Aurier View attachment 71452

These charts always bother me as they're compared to players in the same league.

For example they both have a crosses number of 0.4 but on Aurier's chart it looks crap and on Celik's it looks good. In fact many of Aurier's stats look better but his chart overall just looks worse.

 

[Johnny J]

If you compare Aurier and Aurier does it explode?

 

[ItsBoris]

Whatever happens we need the right back position sorted for the start of the season

I'm pretty confident we'll get a right back. There are quite a few options so we should be able to get one of them.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

I'm pretty confident we'll get a right back. There are quite a few options so we should be able to get one of them.

On 5th October ??

 

[daryl hannah]

On 5th October ??

HATE the way we conduct transfer business.

 

[DiVaio]

He's starting on Lille final pre-season match and if I understand correctly it will be shown on their facebook