Your REALISTIC First XI 2013/2014 season

[only1waddle]

Not that one then!? Lol. Where abouts is it?

Under the reply button on the post you have rated..

 

[dontcallme]

Sorry I fail to see this argument, are you suggesting that five expensive signings can just slot into a team and work well but five cheaper signings wouldn't or something different, the original point someone made was that you can just throw five new players in the team as it wouldn't work. Now you seem to be suggesting it would work but only if we spend multi millions

It really isn't about money amounts but quality and you don't have to spend huge money to buy quality, what you need do is look at the needs of the team, the strengths of the players you think will be able to strengthen those weaknesses and how they will fit with the players you have. Swansea signed a number of new players last summer but generally they slotted in well
they consolidated their PL position and moved up a couple of places yet their dearest buy was around £5.5 mill

But you are also ignoring my other point that adding new players in the summer window doesn't necessarily mean you have to play them all day one or play them all consistently from day 1, you can give new players time to adapt and phase in but another plus of actually having some real competition for places can mean that existing players work harder to try and keep their place and then you have a nice problem

So I don't agree with your arguments above at all having too much money to spend can actually work against you as sometimes it's easy to buy a proven reputation rather than really think long and hard about fitting with the existing players. The key is in the work you put in evaluating both the targets and their ability to adjust to a new league and complement the players you have

I believe if you have a team full of world class players then they're natural ability will get good results. They might lack consistency but if you have the likes of Silva, Tevez, Aguero, Yaya-Toure etc then you are going to get goals regardless of how you gel as a team.

I think we have a better team than many are giving us credit for. Buying 5 new players will make for an inconsistent team and if they don't have the quality of the genuine top players then you won't perform at their level either.

Player for player; Man Utd have a weaker team than Chelsea and Man City but because they have a good team ethic and don't just look to buy better players in every position in every transfer window they regularly outperform them despite spending considerably less.

If we buy have a new team like you are suggesting then we will be following the Man City and Chelsea model only with worse players which is a ludicrous strategy.

 

[SamR]

In an ideal world there are 7 places safe in my first 11 for next season:

Lloris
Walker
Super Jan
Kaboul
New LB / Rose
Sandro
New CM
Dembele
Bale
New RF
New CF

My bench would be;

Friedel, Dawson/Caulker,Lennon, Townsend, Sigurdsson, Holtby, Dempsey/Defoe

I would be happy to give Rose a go at LB if he performs at pre season. Id also wouldn't mind seeing Townsend have a go at the RF position...he seems to have a better eye for goal than lennon.

In terms of players out I think we can lose (and I wish them well) - Gomes, Gallas, BAE, Huddlestone, Livermore, Parker, Bentley, Adebayor. Id also let Dempsey go - mainly because I think his presence warrants a prominent place in the team and I dont think his good enough personally.

In terms of in's I hope AVB is given the go ahead to go after these Brazilians. I like Benteke, Son/Bernard, + a cm I'm yet to determine.

I'm excited for the new season. I definitely think we can make funds to finance some of these deals - these deals could really liven up our next season.

 

[danielneeds]

I'm going for a new realistic XI for next season.

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Perreira​

Sandro Dembele​

Lennon Bale Bernard​

Villa​

​

Probably only around £35m to get those three in. If we can claw back £15m in sales, will be a good job.​

 

[Blake Griffin]

I'm going for a new realistic XI for next season.

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Perreira​

Sandro Dembele​

Lennon Bale Bernard​

Villa​

​

Probably only around £35m to get those three in. If we can claw back £15m in sales, will be a good job.​

we'd probably get killed down our left with that lineup. either drop lennon for another cm and play bernard as part of a front three or swap pereira for a stronger defensive left back.

 

[danielneeds]

we'd probably get killed down our left with that lineup. either drop lennon for another cm and play bernard as part of a front three or swap pereira for a stronger defensive left back.

If you're a proper 4231 then the holding players do most of the covering for our fullbacks, basically Sandro drops into the gap or Verts shifts over. It can't be worse than our left side this year which was horrible, both offensively and defensively.

 

[Barry Mead]

I believe if you have a team full of world class players then they're natural ability will get good results. They might lack consistency but if you have the likes of Silva, Tevez, Aguero, Yaya-Toure etc then you are going to get goals regardless of how you gel as a team.

I think we have a better team than many are giving us credit for. Buying 5 new players will make for an inconsistent team and if they don't have the quality of the genuine top players then you won't perform at their level either.

Player for player; Man Utd have a weaker team than Chelsea and Man City but because they have a good team ethic and don't just look to buy better players in every position in every transfer window they regularly outperform them despite spending considerably less.

If we buy have a new team like you are suggesting then we will be following the Man City and Chelsea model only with worse players which is a ludicrous strategy.

I think what gives United an edge is that they have a win mentality built up over years of success and that gives players belief and of course Fergie was the manager that would ensure that the players he brought in had the right character and work ethic
But United always built a strong squad and ensured they had depth of quality. Berba was the PL's top striker a couple of seasons back yet struggled to get game time, Wayne Rooney was the second top PL scorer last season with 27 goals yet they went out and bought Van Persie and Kagawa despite that and having Hernandez and Welbeck, they may have occasionally been short in a position normally as a result of injury problems or players they bought not really working out but they have never been in a position where they have needed to add five players in a season for a long long time and lets be fair if you build up a quality team and squad you shouldn't need to go out and but any significant number of players each window

You seem to think adding five new players will make the team inconsistent and yet we brought in Siggy, Verts, LLoris, Holtby, Dempsey, Dembele and Ade this season and brought back two loaners in Caulker and Naughton who had hardly played for the first team, granted all didn't play consistently and Ade had the benefit of a season on loan but that was 8 effectively new players coming in and they played in a combined 206 PL games an average of nearly 24 games each. Did they really have that detrimental affect on the team this season? especially allowing that losing Luka and Ledley were not really players we wanted to offload.

As for us as a team and a squad I actually don't think we are that good, I think we have been lucky in that we have had some very good players that have kept us in contention for a top four/ five place in recent years despite our weaknesses in a number of areas and of course I think there are a lot of poor teams in the PL that help us maintain a decent position
Either way I don't think we have the depth of quality for a realistic sustained title challenge over a full season, even less so if we intend to try and take cup games seriously. It's not for lack of overall numbers, but a thinness in certain areas and a lack of enough depth of quality. We need to add that depth of quality, why wait around and drip feed new players in over the next three seasons? lets get them in now, in a 25 man squad you will still have 20 familiar players in contention so you have five new come in and give that extra depth. As said you don't have to throw them all into the team day 1, you can introduce them more gradually both in terms of overall team selection and individual development. I fail to see the point in keeping poor players for the sake of continuity, continuity is all fine and dandy when you have a depth of quality, but it doesn't serve you well when you haven't

As for following the likes of City but with worse players, to me that's a ludicrous statement, why should we just get worse players, price doesn't necessarily define worse or better, you only have to look at the likes of Michu, Benteke and Ba all in this seasons top 10 top scorers to realise that money isn't the defining criteria of a player working or not, it might tend to reduce the odds but then so does careful and considered appraisal. To me what's ludicrous is keeping poorer options when you have a chance to improve them, if you need to strengthen then assuming you have done your homework and found the players you can afford that you feel would improve the areas that are weak then it would be crazy to not do so

 

[BrightEyes]

This for me please:

Lloris

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Coentrao

Strootman Sandro Dembele

Aubameyang Bale
Villa

Ideally Martinez instead of Villa but prob too expensive

 

[Mr Pink]

Friedel

Naughton
Dawson
Caulker
Rose

Huddlestone
Livermore

Lennon
Bale
Townsend

Defoe

 

[not_tenth-again]

Not been linked but just watching Australia v Japan on tv and again Honda stands out for me. If we stayed 4-2-3-1 he'd be super as the 10. So intelligent around the box and hits free kicks like bale. With six months on his contract he'd be such a levy purchase.

 

[Huddlebone]

------------------Lloris
--Walker--Dawson(C)--Vertonghen--BAE
------------------Sandro
------------Cabaye--Dembele
---Lennon---------------------Hulk
-----------------Soldado

Bench: Brad Kaboul Holtby Gylfi Huddlestone Emre Townsend Rose Adebayor/Defoe Kyle N

So sad as it is i think it`s a big chance that real put in that big money for Gareth and levy wouldnt turn down 80m, I think....
Hulk would be the best replacement and I think that zenit would accept to sell him because it has been big problems around him this year with the fans and some players in the club. But the first thing that we need to do is make sure that we get rid of the players that we dont need. So we make room for some wages and can bring some new ones with more skill.

Out would be:

1:Bentley: 2-3m Saves us alot of wages, not really sure how much he had but to much
2Dempsey 5-6m A decent player but i dont think he fits into the style that we want to play and would be happy to see him in
MLS. And with young players like Lewis and Gylfi that have that skill that duce dont have i would thank him for this year and wish him god luck in the future.
3Parker: 5-7m If he accpet to be a second choice i would be able to have him as backup to sando but if not i would say the same as duce.
4: Livermore 4-5 just not good enough to play in a top4 club.
5: Gomes: really liked him but i think he`s time in spurs i over i think he had pretty big wages aswell
6: Bale 80 So sad.... But the truth is when a club like real comes in i have desided that they want someone i cant see that levy can stop them... But "IF" we sell him i want to see the club show that they want to reach top 4 and make sure to replace with some big players.

Income: 104

In:
Hulk. 25-30m Bale replacement.
Soldado 20-22m A striker that can score 15+ And more
Cabaye 15-17m Replacement after Luka
Emre 5-10m Backup to Sandro if Parker goes.

Spent: 69m

Total 35m+++++ !!! levy will be happy

Caulker and Carrol goes on loan to have full 90.

 

[Blake Griffin]

i wish we could just spend now. there's a gap for us to push ourselves into with the right signings, even if it didn't work out(i think it would) then bale will be sold next year anyway which would cover it.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

Dear Spurs Community

I think Tottingham have been lacking creativity, so maybe this line up might work for us.

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen​

Honda Sandro Pjanic​

Son Belhanda Bale​

Villa​

​

Lots of love,
Ossie

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

Friedel

Naughton
Dawson
Caulker
Rose

Huddlestone
Livermore

Lennon
Bale
Townsend

Defoe

swap Dempsey for Bale and I think you've got the makings of a team there!

 

[IGSpur]

swap Dempsey for Bale and I think you've got the makings of a team there!

Tbf we've had all these young british players, bar Friedel obvs, since they were 21 or younger, and i think the max fee we paod was 6/7m for Defoe. Considering that team should come mid table that shows that we have been developing/producing quite well of late

 

[Dalton]

Im baffled at the unconditional support for Siggy. He's young and could become a big player, but then again he might not. He had plenty of bad games this season.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Dear Spurs Community

I think Tottingham have been lacking creativity, so maybe this line up might work for us.

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen​

Honda Sandro Pjanic​

Son Belhanda Bale​

Villa​

​

Lots of love,
Ossie

ahh the famed 3-3-3-1

 

[not_tenth-again]

Dear Spurs Community

I think Tottingham have been lacking creativity, so maybe this line up might work for us.

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen​

Honda Sandro Pjanic​

Son Belhanda Bale​

Villa​

​

Lots of love,
Ossie

Dear Ossie,

I disagree, not attacking enough

Lloris​

Walker - Kaboul - Vertonghen​

Sandro​

Belhanda - Pjanic - Honda​

Son - Villa - Bale​

Kindest Regards,
Marcelo Bielsa

 

[beats1]

Next season we need to make a statement of intent and make some big money signings to make the current players and more importantly the rest of the league to see we mean business.

---------------------------------Ade-----------------------------
------------------------------Leandro----------------------------

Villa----------------------------------------------------------Bale
Townsend------------------------------------------------Lennon

--------------------------Cabaye or Thiago--------------------
------------------Pritchard/Bentaleb/Falque/Luongo-----------
-----------------Dembele-------------Sandro-------------------
---------------------Sig----------------Holtby-----------------

Abidal----------Vertonghen----------Kaboul-------------Walker
Rose------------Dawson------------Caulker----------Naughton


-------------------------------Lloris-------------------------------
------------------------------Friedel------------------------------
Possible youngsters to watch:Bentaleb and Pritchard

The front 3 would seriously compliment each other imo, Ade doesnt like going in to the box and Villa would more often be that guy we have been missing in the box.

Incomings
Leandro or Soldado - £12mill-£20mill
Villa - £10million
Thiago - £15million - It would take some convincing but apparently AVB is a very convincing man or Cabaye £8million(I admit I plucked that number from the air) or Baledj(probably hard as signing Thiago)
Abidal - Free

Outgoings
Dempsey, Huddlestone, Gallas(free), Bentley(free), Parker, Dawkins, BAE, Khumulo, Defoe and Gomes
Naughton - depending on how far Smith has progressed, if he needs another year, we should keep him

Loans
Smith - Prem loan
Falque - If we cant play him send him to a top 10 la liga team as they will have him, a couple of seville fans wanted him on twitter
Cebellos - La Liga/Championship and the same for McEvoy, Shaq, Bentaleb and Pritchard unless used

Other considerations
If Dawson goes get a LCB in. Also Abidal has been a LCB recently so he could be our LB/LCB
Look at Diame - £3.5million or Manuel Iturra - free or schneiderlin

Total Gross Spend:Around £40million
Total Sales: £20million-30million
Likely Net Spend: £20million-£10million

If were to have that first 11, I think we would be up there in the title race, especially if Bale continues his form

 

[JayX2A]

Tottenham have offered Jermain Defoe to Aston Villa in a cash-plus-player exchange for Christian Benteke, reports the Daily Mirror.

Mirror always get it wrong, but pleas me be right!