Tottenham v Besiktas Match Thread

[iluvsteffenfreund]

I said when the transfer window slammed shut that we have tucked ourselves, we are too weak up top, demba ba would of been a great fit for us, our wide players our poor and without verts we look very vulnerable at the back. Baldini needs to go. Hasn't done his job I'm afraid

 

[UncleBuck]

DISAGREE. HE NEEDS TO DO MORE THAN JUST HOVER ROUND HOPING FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN. THAT"S WHAT GOOD STRIKERS DO.

Stop shouting you are hurting my ears

 

[yiddo23]

i think it would be beneficial if we start with 2-4 players who are nailed on starters each middle week game, just need some stability or something

 

[nedley]

God Tim is so illiterate

DISAGREE. HE NEEDS TO DO MORE THAN JUST HOVER ROUND HOPING FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN. THAT"S WHAT GOOD STRIKERS DO.

I agree with you on that. He's certainly not helping himself.

But his game is based on being feed from deep crosses and through balls - our team rarely produces that, especially when it contains 'Shooter' Townsend or 'Blind alley' Lennon.

He had his tail up in this game in the second half and then gets taken off.

Yes he has to help himself and stop feeling sorry.

 

[carpediem991]

i think it would be beneficial if we start with 2-4 players who are nailed on starters each middle week game, just need some stability or something

Players like Verts, Eriksen and Lamela just should start every game possible. A spine out there who know what to do. Cant be arsed to watch Chiriches, Paulinho and Lennon instead any longer.

 

[mrlilywhite]

He's got 40 goals in 98 appearances for us. Off form for sure, but he is a proven PL goalscorer.

Torres was a proven premier league scorer......

 

[prawnsandwich]

I recall someone said MoPo has been "given" this season and it seems he is just giving rehearsals to players in some games.
In the long term it may work out-let's hope so.
Maybe Fazio is our long term left sided CB? Dier was the success story tonight but I think maybe because their little winger was terrified of him.

 

[mpickard2087]

I think some people are over-reacting a bit. Our reserve team went up against a pretty good team who are quite possibly CL material. It was always going to be a tough game and I didnt actually think we would win this.

The game as a whole, yes I thought we lacked invention at times but we all know we do. We created two or three decent chances though for Kane and pretty much all the players worked hard and battled away. We even saw tracking back and tackling from the likes of Townsend ffs.

The effort was there, it was just the last 20 mins. We looked exhausted, dropped deep and couldn't keep the ball at all. We didn't deserve to win, but a draw isn't a disaster.

 

[TheGreenLily]

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God Tim is so illiterate


I agree with you on that. He's certainly not helping himself.

But his game is based on being feed from deep crosses and through balls - our team rarely produces that, especially when it contains 'Shooter' Townsend or 'Blind alley' Lennon.

He had his tail up in this game in the second half and then gets taken off.

Yes he has to help himself and stop feeling sorry.

He has been one of the better players I feel, I have no idea why he is not playing, especially after an impressive american tour. Soldado, Falque, Cellabos, Lamella, Mason all played really really really well together...

Then we start with f-ing townsend, Lennon, Ade...

What the hell is going on.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Thought we fought hard against a tough team and although I draw was probably a 'fair' result really should have held on to win. I will not talk about the obvious flaw that is Vlad...not sure why he even gets a game.

So being positive; Fazio continues to look good, Dier I really like, Stambouli is looking good and I like it when he gets forward, Townsend kept trying to play progressive football and Kane finished brillianty.

I was a little surprised by the subs. I did think Kane looked tired, more than Soldado, having given all. I thought Stambouli was getting better as the match went on. Taking Paulinho off could have been done after one minute...I have really wanted to like him but have to agree with most people that he just does not fit in.

Anyway with at least 7/8 players who would not be in my first team I think there is some improvement going on in the squad

 

[Krafty]

Pretty disappointing performance.

Team still has no shape, there are no partnerships developing on the field, there is no link up, and our most often passing move is between the centre backs and keeper, before one of them panics and we gift possession to the opposition.


Thought Kane did well before tiring, Townsend showed bravery if not quite direction. I was also quietly pleased with Fazio's performance and thought the slating from the Everton pundit was a bit harsh. He put in some very important headers and clearances and did pretty well given what was happening next to him.

Chiriches was all over the place, I began to feel bad for him and it was no surprise when he rounded off his performance with the handball. I also thought Dier was caught out positionally on occasion, and that the whole defence could have done with more protection from midfield.

The subs were a bit surprising - Lennon on the left does not work, but it works a bit better in a flat four man midfield - Soldado was poor but did start to come into the game more, so to sub him when he was starting to do ok was not a smart move, especially since Adebayor did very little. Thought Stambouli could have stayed on but that might be down to fitness.

Lloris was excellent, once more, and I hope Pochettino slowly stops the large scale rotation because I think the lack of cohesion is harming us more than helping. It's easy to organise a back-to-the-wall effort, its harder to organise fluid attacking football.

 

[goughie1966]

By all means rotate the squad. Mix in 3 or 4 players from the group. But change the entire team against the best team in the group ?? At home where there are no exhausting flights to think about ? And yet people expected us to win ?? How can we get any continuity among players who are still getting to know each other ? Sorry mate but that selection shows Poch didn't give a toss about the Europa. Understandably he wants to do well against his former club at all costs. Understandably but you can't have it all ways.

Poch probably doesn't give a toss about the Europa League because he knows we don't have a prayer of winning it. It's a competition for giving the fringe players a run out. Our second string didn't get beaten by a very good team tonight. They'll get thrashed in Turkey for sure, but who cares really?

Anyone who thinks our first 11 could win this competition is delusional.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

Watching Ba tonight you realise how little Ade does must games.

 

[prawnsandwich]

Soldado sub killed the game for us. We had our best spell of the match and the game completely changed for the worse when Ade came on.

That is a good point about Sol who was actually doing well just before the sub. But maybe the prospect of the sub livened him up. Before he was virtually invisible.
He won't be with us next season.

 

[Sweetsman]

Sh1twood's gonna fill his boots now!

I'm not his biggest fan, and even though I did agree with you, he was fairly balanced. He did make a dig about the style of play, which may well be what is the best for us right now. Ferdinand took the biscuit with his criticism of Soldado, given that he was the coach for the forwards.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Scary thing is…that could have been far worse! We were undone by a moment of Vladness, which actually, could have come at any and many points during the game.

More worrying is the fact that I don’t know what Poch was thinking with that selection and formation. Basically ceded the midfield from the getgo. It was clear we needed a real holding midfielder after 5 minutes. Bentaleb was having to do way too much as Paulinho was played way out in the sticks and then didn’t know where to go after that. Kane had to drop deep as a result and we were lucky he got in position to score from what was basically our first real chance.

Really question the lack of in-game adjustments that sorely needed to be made.

Lloris was f…ing unbelievable!

 

[jezz]

I said when the transfer window slammed shut that we have tucked ourselves, we are too weak up top, demba ba would of been a great fit for us, our wide players our poor and without verts we look very vulnerable at the back. Baldini needs to go. Hasn't done his job I'm afraid

Not every signing comes off as you should know very well.
Signing Erikson, Lamela, Chadli and Capoue, he's done his job well.
Never in a million years did ever think Erikson and Lamela would be in a spurs shirt.

 

[goughie1966]

Scary thing is…that could have been far worse! We were undone by a moment of Vladness, which actually, could have come at any and many points during the game.

More worrying is the fact that I don’t know what Poch was thinking with that selection and formation. Basically ceded the midfield from the getgo. It was clear we needed a real holding midfielder after 5 minutes. Bentaleb was having to do way too much as Paulinho was played way out in the sticks and then didn’t know where to go after that. Kane had to drop deep as a result and we were lucky he got in position to score from what was basically our first real chance.

Really question the lack of in-game adjustments that sorely needed to be made.

Lloris was f…ing unbelievable!

You know Stambouli was playing and had a pretty good game too.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think some people are over-reacting a bit. Our reserve team went up against a pretty good team who are quite possibly CL material. It was always going to be a tough game and I didnt actually think we would win this.

The game as a whole, yes I thought we lacked invention at times but we all know we do. We created two or three decent chances though for Kane and pretty much all the players worked hard and battled away. We even saw tracking back and tackling from the likes of Townsend ffs.

The effort was there, it was just the last 20 mins. We looked exhausted, dropped deep and couldn't keep the ball at all. We didn't deserve to win, but a draw isn't a disaster.

Totally agree.

Some massive over reactions on here. By all means have a go at Vlad - he's been shocking in truth, and he's just not a good enough defender for this level, can't do the basics.

But yes, it was our second string against a side that is CL quality.

A point is still a decent result. Have to beat the Greeks and Belgrade at home, and take another point from one of the last two away games. That should be more than enough.

 

[cornelius knob]

A noticeable anti ENIC feeling around WHL tonight. Definitely getting more and more prevalent. Lots of fans now starting to question there commitment and lack of investment. Clouds and silver linings eh. Glad to say support for Poch is strong though.