Tottenham Takeover Talk

[freeeki]

Just a little reminder. I know it's in the dim and distant past for many, but the club also had well over a season with little or no income because of the Covid debacle. That's not just no increase. It's no income, but operating costs still had to be paid. This meant very large losses. So there's some catching up to do before we see the benefits of the stadium come into play.

Every club suffered massive financial losses because of Covid.

Since stadiums were reopened, we’ve regularly filled ours with the highest ticket prices in the league, as well as having non-match day income boosted astronomically thanks to NFL, Guns n Roses, Lady Gaga, world championship boxing etc.

There is no excuse for clubs like Arsenal to be outspending us.

 

[Clockspur]

I don’t get our apathetic fans, what have they been watching the last two decades because the last 8/9 years I’ve seen us get lucky with a generational player in Harry Kane and not build a side round him due to penny pinching owners.

Ive seen us fire a manager who’s transfer budget consisted of a few packets of skips and club shop vouchers after he got us to a CL final.

Everytime we start getting anywhere, Dan Levy hinders us in some way.

Some of our fans will have the shock of their lives when Kane goes and we’re battling Crystal Palace for a top half finish

 

[rossdapep]

Every club suffered massive financial losses because of Covid.

Since stadiums were reopened, we’ve regularly filled ours with the highest ticket prices in the league, as well as having non-match day income boosted astronomically thanks to NFL, Guns n Roses, Lady Gaga, world championship boxing etc.

There is no excuse for clubs like Arsenal to be outspending us.

I really would love to know the forecast discussions they have in the boardroom because if you know you've got big stadium concerts, boxing events, NFL etc etc, then surely you know that you have a lot of money coming in so you get the spending on players up front so that you keep pace?

You are right though, no excuses.

 

[Clockspur]

Every club suffered massive financial losses because of Covid.

Since stadiums were reopened, we’ve regularly filled ours with the highest ticket prices in the league, as well as having non-match day income boosted astronomically thanks to NFL, Guns n Roses, Lady Gaga, world championship boxing etc.

There is no excuse for clubs like Arsenal to be outspending us.

Covid affected us so much that both West Ham and Nottingham Forest were able to outspend us this summer.

What a game changer the stadium has been Danny boy

 

[mil1lion]

we had the best defence in the league in 2016-17....we just always collapsed at key moments

I think a manager who "knew how to win" and had the experience - a Jose or Conte - would have got them over the line, even if just in a cup

I would have liked some experience in the team as well though. We had a great young squad but no real leader out on the pitch. Not many who had really won anything out there. The manager can certainly help but I think Harry Redknapp got that part right, got some experienced leader like Woodgate and Gallas. This is where I feel we might fail Conte and I hope this type of investment could help. I would just love for us to go and get a proper winner but also in their peak. Not sure the last time that really happened, maybe VDV. We're just never willing to spend on that though, has to be world class potential rather than world class now. Our model seems to be get enough young prospects and develop them so they become world class together. The trouble is they tend to not have won anything or much at that age and then they're come into a team that hasn't won anything too.

 

[chas vs dave]

Covid affected us so much that both West Ham and Nottingham Forest were able to outspend us this summer.

What a game changer the stadium has been Danny boy

You do realise that we spent more than arsenal in the last window. Spending the most isn't indicative of a good window. Case in point, west ham.

We have been spending more, just not well enough.

 

[Clockspur]

You do realise that we spent more than arsenal in the last window. Spending the most isn't indicative of a good window. Case in point, west ham.

We have been spending more, just not well enough.

We haven’t spent enough and we have spent the little we have poorly.

Arsenal have spent £200m+ in the last 2 windows plus £27m this window - we’re down £150m on them in that time period. Them spending £10m less than us last summer is a piss in the ocean.

When we have clear deficiencies in our defence that any old moron could see, I don’t understand why we’re going into The final week of the window and the player we’re closest to signing seems to be an attacking mid - Levy that

 

[IamSpurtacus]

And which part is on the manager- the part where he turned them into the best on the league or the part where they “collapsed at key moments”?

we had the best defence - not the best team (we conceded 26 goals)

Our record against the top 6 was better than average but we still lost away to our main rivals - as awlays.

We threw away key points at critical moments against lesser teams, like Sunderland and West Ham. We drew 6 of our first 11 games. It was the same the prior season. We played with passion and emotion when we needed to play with cold steel at times.

We just needed to convert a loss into draw, and draw into a win - my personal belief is that a better manager would have done that, because they had more nous and experience of winning

 

[ILS]

We haven’t spent enough and we have spent the little we have poorly.

Arsenal have spent £200m+ in the last 2 windows plus £27m this window - we’re down £150m on them in that time period. Them spending £10m less than us last summer is a piss in the ocean.

When we have clear deficiencies in our defence that any old moron could see, I don’t understand why we’re going into The final week of the window and the player we’re closest to signing seems to be an attacking mid - Levy that

Levy is telling Paratici and Conte to sign Zaniolo?

 

[IamSpurtacus]

I would have liked some experience in the team as well though. We had a great young squad but no real leader out on the pitch. Not many who had really won anything out there. The manager can certainly help but I think Harry Redknapp got that part right, got some experienced leader like Woodgate and Gallas. This is where I feel we might fail Conte and I hope this type of investment could help. I would just love for us to go and get a proper winner but also in their peak. Not sure the last time that really happened, maybe VDV. We're just never willing to spend on that though, has to be world class potential rather than world class now. Our model seems to be get enough young prospects and develop them so they become world class together. The trouble is they tend to not have won anything or much at that age and then they're come into a team that hasn't won anything too.

Agreed

Even a Davids like player would have helped Poch

I think that's why Conte wanted Perisic - he's an experienced head and leader (even if he's no longer able to cope with the PL)

It's why Casimero is helping transform United, and Arsenal's purchases of winning players (Jesus, Partey, Zinchenko) can help shift a teams mentality, when you blend it with quality younger players

 

[knowlespurs]

Anyway about the takeover

 

[legion]

The Qatar rumors died out pretty fast after the NLD...

 

[SpursJord]

Alright guys, I wasn't sure where to post this but someone I follow on twitter has made the jump on to YouTube and posted his first proper piece on there which is based on Tottenham and Levy. He is a Palace fan so has no bias and is usually pretty good with this stuff. I have not yet watched this myself, he just asked me to post it forward. Hopefully you guys enjoy it and find it a good piece. Please share it forward if you like and help him on his journey.



If it shouldn't be here or goes against anything please let me know and I'll be happy to move/delete it. Thanks guys.

 

[chrisd2k]

And you really think that is why ENIC still have 86-87% of the share capital? Attacking or defending ENIC on a forum such as this makes no difference to anything other than blood pressure.

Ceasing to attend matches means either wasting the entrance fee or someone else going. The same goes for not buying food and drink at the ground, or not buying shirts. If everyone on this forum did that, which won't happen because opinions are clearly divided, the result would be zilch, because with a fan base of well over a million, individuals and groups like this are insignificant and therefore irrelevant.

THST sending "demands" (arrogant or what?) to the club board merely means that they do what they were going to do anyway while paying lip service to THST (which has what? 30,000 members) for PR purposes.

If you want ENIC out someone has to provide the ante in the form of billions of pounds to do so, and in my view the most likely outcome from any QSI investment or from anywhere else, were it to happen, would be an increase in share capital rather than a buyout of ENIC.

Expressing your or my views and discussing them with others on all matters Tottenham Hotspur on a forum like this is an interesting way to pass some time, which is why I do it, but don't kid yourself you or I have any power (unless you are a billionaire in disguise), and that's even with my 1980 shares.

Finally, with the way the football world is going, the idea of a multi-billionaire buying this or any other EPL club as a plaything to splurge hundreds of millions on players on a regular basis is totally deluded.

In my view we are far better off with ENIC, who in twenty or so years have developed this club from an entity worth tens of millions to one worth billions, with a magnificent infrastructure, while changing the club on the field from one often flirting with relegation and regarding a top half finish as an achievement, to one regularly challenging at the top of the EPL and often competing in the final stages of major cup competitions including the Champions League, which prior to ENIC had only occurred once, in 1961-62 in what was then the European Cup.

The problem with far too many is that they live in the moment and have little sense of perspective.

The denial is strong in this one

 

[Gb160]

The denial is strong in this one

He's been brainwashed, its cult like behaviour.

 

[Karol]

He's been brainwashed, its cult like behaviour.

Is there a spelling mistake in the above?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

i don’t really even want the Qataris to buy us but fucking hell this club is a joke. Levy is like a clown running a circus, never been so annoyed with the running of this club since the very worst of Sugar. Fans in the stadium need to make it clear to Levy he should step down.

it is painfully obvious Levy has no understanding of building a team and has no long term plan other than milking fans.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

Is there a spelling mistake in the above?

Yes. If you're American, you spell behaviour as 'behavior'.

 

[whitesocks]

I really would love to know the forecast discussions they have in the boardroom because if you know you've got big stadium concerts, boxing events, NFL etc etc, then surely you know that you have a lot of money coming in so you get the spending on players up front so that you keep pace?

You are right though, no excuses.

I wish fans wouldn't go on about all this nfl, concert and boxing income. It is peanuts.
If we were racking in cash hand over fist, there are plenty of other venues in london that could provide a similar experience. We have to compete.

Our money comes from tv, match day and cl. And the forecast is we are unlikely to see cl footy next season. That is surely what conte has told Levy.

Funnily enough, if we are out of the cl for the foreseeable future - and that is how shit things look at the moment - then a full qsi take over becomes viable. It is only when 2 sides with a common owner potentially could meet (ie in the cl) does it become a problem.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I wish fans wouldn't go on about all this nfl, concert and boxing income. It is peanuts.
If we were racking in cash hand over fist, there are plenty of other venues in london that could provide a similar experience. We have to compete.

Our money comes from tv, match day and cl. And the forecast is we are unlikely to see cl footy next season. That is surely what conte has told Levy.

Funnily enough, if we are out of the cl for the foreseeable future - and that is how shit things look at the moment - then a full qsi take over becomes viable. It is only when 2 sides with a common owner potentially could meet (ie in the cl) does it become a problem.

Peanuts? I think I read somewhere they think the club makes £5m+ per event.