Tottenham Takeover Talk

[bigfrooj]

I guess there was a time when it was unusual for clubs to be owned and bankrolled by a state, a royal family, American franchiser or oligarch. Now nearly all the top teams have outside financial help and Tottenham could become an outlier fighting against the tide. With one eye on an inevitable European Superleague these options have to be explored I guess. I’m struggling to find a comfortable personal view on this as I want Spurs to play on a more level playing field but I don’t like what I was reading about the Qatari regime recently.

 

[mr ashley]

Does anyone know any chelsea or city fans who were fans of the original versions of the clubs (strugglers) who turned their backs on their clubs?

Genuine question

 

[FITZ]

Does anyone know any chelsea or city fans who were fans of the original versions of the clubs (strugglers) who turned their backs on their clubs?

Genuine question

Nope.

My dad is a chelsea fan and “let” me support Spurs in the 80s as he thought chelsea wasn’t a good team to support (violence/results/league positions). He’s now the first person to take the piss about 0 trophies etc…

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Does anyone know any chelsea or city fans who were fans of the original versions of the clubs (strugglers) who turned their backs on their clubs?

Genuine question

I think the world cup changed my perception on football actually, well not changed it but made me realise how much i bloody love football, for all the sham of Qatar getting the world cup it was a bloody fantastic tournament, not because of where it was held, the size of the stadium or any of that but for the sheer fact that the football was bloody good and entertaining for the most part.

That being said, i don't like the state football is in and it being used as a vehicle for political gains/sports washing but what i do love is Tottenham Hotspur, i have since i was old enough to understand what Tottenham Hotspur were so some grubby billionaires money isn't going to kill that love of this great club.

Do i actively want shady owners? no but would i turn my back on Spurs... absolutely not.

 

[Dougal]

We’d probably take the money and still win nothing.

 

[KingKay]

Does anyone know any chelsea or city fans who were fans of the original versions of the clubs (strugglers) who turned their backs on their clubs?

Genuine question

Yes, I know a few City fans who called it a day when the oil money turned up, and I’d ask myself the same question if we went down this route.

A definite no from me.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Nah. That'd be it for me. Used to be a football club over there.

 

[dontcallme]

I feel like I need to know more about what the 30% stake really means.

I never liked Abramovich taking over Chelsea or the City owners as they used their excessive wealth to buy themselves into our society that they'd otherwise have no right to. It also killed the sporting aspect as the club didn't need to earn money to get their success.

They wouldn't be the majority shareholders so I assume that unless they plan to be at some point, that this is an investment for them.

It's definitely messy and there's dirty money everywhere. I'm not comfortable with the idea but need to know more before making a decision.

There are lots of ways to interpret this potential investment. Any chance we can stop calling each other hypocrites all the time and try to actually discuss the point?

 

[Gb160]

Does anyone know any chelsea or city fans who were fans of the original versions of the clubs (strugglers) who turned their backs on their clubs?

Genuine question

I was wondering the exact same thing mate, there must've been some but I bet that number dwindled when the trophies started rolling in.

As of this post with over 150 votes its 2-1 in favour of investment. Im not really surprised tbh...its a landslide so far.

 

[Gb160]

Would I welcome it, no. Would I accept it, yes. I want success, it just makes me a hypocrite which I'm not so happy about.

Mate I said in another thread that if you dig deep enough we're all hypocrites. Wanting our club to push on and be successful is nothing to feel bad or ashamed about.

 

[arunspurs]

2/3 so far would welcome Qatar? Jesus that's depressing.
Say we do get the money in do people think that will guarantee success? Things have moved on from when Roman bought Chelsea. Now there are city, Newcastle, man utd, pool are still huge, Chelsea are huge & still spending and even arsenal are spending huge amounts so us joining that guarantees very little other than the inflation impact on fees for top players.

I understand the "we'll get left behind" argument but look at pool for what can happen with a manager who is properly backed & a well thought out structure at the club. Look at arsenal this season which shows that to compete you don't need that sort of investor.

Just so depressing that people would gladly take that money & ignore all the other aspects.
And don't kid yourself with the "yea but all billionaires money is tainted" that's a weak argument. Like saying all criminals are equal because they're criminals, absolutely not. Some are much worse than others and Qatar are right up there with the worst.

I can see that you are clearly conflicted...

At one moment you ask, will money guarantee success ? Next line you include Newcastle as a team that is becoming huge & spending. Then you say, Arsenal are spending huge amounts and next paragraph say 'look at arsenal this season which shows that to compete you don't need that sort of investor'....took upto 2001 to normalise hunger levels

1. Arsenal have spent the most of all clubs in last 2 years. They are now talking with Shaktar to sign Mudryk who has played 20 odd games in Ukraine league for 50 or 60m... So ,lets not kid ourself saying Arsenal somehow not spending.
2. For last 20 years under ENIC, we have done the right way. Live within means. Every time we get to a point we can challenge more, one of the teams get bought out. First there was Chelsea, then City, now Newcastle.
3. United do not have any investor. Investor who took the club loaded the club with debt of 400m , now grown to 1bn of debt in 15yrs. Do you want this sort of investor ?
4. Liverpool is a rare example - even with them, they did spend huge money. VVD, Allison itself cost 145m together.We never spent anything like that on 2 players in 1 window.

Lets try to differentiate the 2 things. Investment requirement vs who is the investor.

We need owner investment, like it or not to be a elite club.

On the topic of investor billiaonaires, every billionaire is tainted in some way.

Even Joe Lewis made his billions from betting against British Pound & Mexico Pesos. The mexico peso crash he helped to happen in 90s meant, a decade of poverty, unemployment, hunger for millions...took upto 2001 to get poverty rates down.

Qatar or Oil countries are states which have cruel laws...but these same cruel laws like LGBT ban were also in Europe sometime in its history. Every country evolves over time to come out of these bans.

Qatar has done nearly 40bn investment in London alone already. So, its nothing new in real estate or other industry. They have already touched some aspect of London life in one way or other.

Every billionaire or state have issues , their own problems. There is no ethically pure billionaires. For me, all billionaire or state is same when it comes to ethics.

Current hiked interest rate climate, there will be no American or Chinese investor coming in for few years. So, Qatar comes in and invest their oil money , so be it.

 

[sidford]

I can see that you are clearly conflicted...

At one moment you ask, will money guarantee success ? Next line you include Newcastle as a team that is becoming huge & spending. Then you say, Arsenal are spending huge amounts and next paragraph say 'look at arsenal this season which shows that to compete you don't need that sort of investor'....took upto 2001 to normalise hunger levels

1. Arsenal have spent the most of all clubs in last 2 years. They are now talking with Shaktar to sign Mudryk who has played 20 odd games in Ukraine league for 50 or 60m... So ,lets not kid ourself saying Arsenal somehow not spending.
2. For last 20 years under ENIC, we have done the right way. Live within means. Every time we get to a point we can challenge more, one of the teams get bought out. First there was Chelsea, then City, now Newcastle.
3. United do not have any investor. Investor who took the club loaded the club with debt of 400m , now grown to 1bn of debt in 15yrs. Do you want this sort of investor ?
4. Liverpool is a rare example - even with them, they did spend huge money. VVD, Allison itself cost 145m together.We never spent anything like that on 2 players in 1 window.

Lets try to differentiate the 2 things. Investment requirement vs who is the investor.

We need owner investment, like it or not to be a elite club.

On the topic of investor billiaonaires, every billionaire is tainted in some way.

Even Joe Lewis made his billions from betting against British Pound & Mexico Pesos. The mexico peso crash he helped to happen in 90s meant, a decade of poverty, unemployment, hunger for millions...took upto 2001 to get poverty rates down.

Qatar or Oil countries are states which have cruel laws...but these same cruel laws like LGBT ban were also in Europe sometime in its history. Every country evolves over time to come out of these bans.

Qatar has done nearly 40bn investment in London alone already. So, its nothing new in real estate or other industry. They have already touched some aspect of London life in one way or other.

Every billionaire or state have issues , their own problems. There is no ethically pure billionaires. For me, all billionaire or state is same when it comes to ethics.

Current hiked interest rate climate, there will be no American or Chinese investor coming in for few years. So, Qatar comes in and invest their oil money , so be it.

Mental gymnastics at it's finest.

Come on in sports washers, all is fine and we welcome your involvement in our club.

 

[Japhet]

No from me. Money and greed has ruined football already so it wouldn't be that hard to step away.

 

[Typical Spurs]

No, I wouldn't welcome it. But I also realise there's nothing I can do if it happens - other than to stop going.

I thought with the stadium now generating lots of money (and not just on a match day) we'd be able to compete better financially. Maybe it's still not enough.

I'd rather we did it more organically. And despite us winning nothing major since 91, I can't say it's affected my life in any way, shape or form.

 

[newbie]

If they sell 25% it doesn’t mean anymore going towards players it means the share holders have made a profit by selling their shares!

Why would levy and Lewis invest their money into the club ?

If the brought the shares and donated 200 million for players that is crazy

 

[newbie]

No, I wouldn't welcome it. But I also realise there's nothing I can do if it happens - other than to stop going.

I thought with the stadium now generating lots of money (and not just on a match day) we'd be able to compete better financially. Maybe it's still not enough.

I'd rather we did it more organically. And despite us winning nothing major since 91, I can't say it's affected my life in any way, shape or form.

I think the goal posts moved and financial doping keeps moving them

 

[joelstinton14]

Does anyone know any chelsea or city fans who were fans of the original versions of the clubs (strugglers) who turned their backs on their clubs?

Genuine question

Not personally as there weren’t many fans of those clubs I knew to begin with. I do follow a no saudi toon group on Twitter. After the collapse of football clubs like Wimbledon and Bury there is also a growing movement amongst lower league/non league clubs becoming and fans wanting their clubs to be community owned too. They realise how important their clubs are to their communities and don’t want their clubs to be get rich schemes for shite owners anymore, all in the pursuit of the rat race of getting up the leagues and spending money the club never had. They lost their football clubs. Some literally, but also many from an identity perspective. City can’t even fill their own stadium despite all the success they have.

The Premier League has become a parody of it self. It just become so disposable, a league that treats its audience like consumers, and hence it’s audience acts like consumers. I reckon every club in the league over the last couple of seasons has had fans who wanted their owner or manager out.

 

[Nebby]

Don’t really care one way or the other.

 

[HotSprut]

As a foreign supporter, the way the Club was run was what caught my interest, which led to my love for Spurs. I rather wait 20 more years for a trophy doing it without Quatari money than take the dirty economic shortcut.

Of course, I will still support the Club whatever happens, but it will feel "less" when we finally achieve something.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

As a foreign supporter, the way the Club was run was what caught my interest, which led to my love for Spurs. I rather wait 20 more years for a trophy doing it without Quatari money than take the dirty economic shortcut.

Of course, I will still support the Club whatever happens, but it will feel "less" when we finally achieve something.

But would you be willing to risk never winning anything in your lifetime?