Timothy Castagne

[Colonel Dax]

Kristof Terreur says that we have considered him.

Come on you...PSG.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

You jest, but how players look and emote is a much under-appreciated factor in a purchase.

We're excited by Højbjerg, in part because of what he brings to the balance of the team, but also because he looks like a midfield general should. Winks, bless him, is far too pretty to be a '6' and no number of stupidly-timed last-ditch tackles on the edge of our penalty area will ever make me think otherwise.

A player's physiognomy is also an important factor when a team has just conceded a goal. You want your players to show they care. It can be barely repressed anger (Sissoko), Gallic disgust (Lloris), headmasterly disappointment (Toby) or even 'oh no, not again (Aurier), but it must be relatable. There's a reason Ian Walker is despised down the ages and it's not his goalkeeping.

Which brings me to Monreal. A disappointed Monreal brings that combination of gormlessness and shock that makes you think he's at fault even if he isn't. He's Shaggy when Scooby has just eaten the last sandwich. He's a molerat with facial hair. And, frankly, if Timothy Chestnuts is going to give us the same range, then I'm out too.

I take you’re overall point but you’d be the first Spurs fan I’d seen saying he despises Ian Walker. Most I think appreciate that he a just a very talented goalie who just wasn’t quite good enough long term. Still in our top 5 premier league keepers for me.

 

[C0YS]

This is why I am hoping & praying we sign Castagne

I really like Castagne, big fan. But the way Atalanta play means most of those crosses come with very little pressure on the ball, and normally from a standing position. I think he is technically very good, and crossing is a strength, but just be aware.

 

[C0YS]

These are some stats, comparing the players with each other but also with averages across all the top 5 leagues. Castagne is the colours, Aurier is the black border.

So, the closer to the centre you are to the chart the worse you are at it compared to other players. Similarly, if you almost fill in the space it means you are close to the best.

Keep in mind, this does take league averages into account so isn't a particularly fair comparison but yes, does hopefully show stylistic differences and potential weaknesses.

 

[arunspurs]

I really like Castagne, big fan. But the way Atalanta play means most of those crosses come with very little pressure on the ball, and normally from a standing position. I think he is technically very good, and crossing is a strength, but just be aware.

If you see how Jose played Aurier most of the season is by giving him a free role up the field. Davies tucked in to give back 3 while we have possession. I remember in most of these games, Aurier used to have lot of time on ball - often not good with cross or his decision making.

If we need a RB for such a role, LB remains in Back3 and RB pushed right up top, then Castagne is the best available RB (in our price range).
He also does lot of running for Atalanta - when he plays he is top 2 or 3 running stats for them. He is deceptively pacy and given his good positional sense, can deal with pace while defending

 

[C0YS]

If you see how Jose played Aurier most of the season is by giving him a free role up the field. Davies tucked in to give back 3 while we have possession. I remember in most of these games, Aurier used to have lot of time on ball - often not good with cross or his decision making.

If we need a RB for such a role, LB remains in Back3 and RB pushed right up top, then Castagne is the best available RB (in our price range).
He also does lot of running for Atalanta - when he plays he is top 2 or 3 running stats for them. He is deceptively pacy and given his good positional sense, can deal with pace while defending

He's my pick for sure. I'm a big fan.

 

[C0YS]

These are some stats, comparing the players with each other but also with averages across all the top 5 leagues. Castagne is the colours, Aurier is the black border.

So, the closer to the centre you are to the chart the worse you are at it compared to other players. Similarly, if you almost fill in the space it means you are close to the best.

Keep in mind, this does take league averages into account so isn't a particularly fair comparison but yes, does hopefully show stylistic differences and potential weaknesses.
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So what these show is that defensively they are quite similar, the main difference seems to be that Aurier tends to dribble a lot more, makes sense because of the positional difference, and Castagne is a much more accurate passer, but even that can be down to stylistic things. Though he is amongst the top in europe in that metric.

But for me the key difference is times dispossessed, aurier is very low in this metric, like bottom 10% in Europe, while Castagne is right at the top. Obviously this so division and club specific it is hard to take it too seriously but hopefully it does show stylistic differences.

 

[spids]

I take you’re overall point but you’d be the first Spurs fan I’d seen saying he despises Ian Walker. Most I think appreciate that he a just a very talented goalie who just wasn’t quite good enough long term. Still in our top 5 premier league keepers for me.

I think you missed his point. He was saying that Walker's reaction to conceding, particularly soft, goals (he used to smile or laugh) was not appreciated by many Spurs fans.

 

[spursfan77]

These are some stats, comparing the players with each other but also with averages across all the top 5 leagues. Castagne is the colours, Aurier is the black border.

So, the closer to the centre you are to the chart the worse you are at it compared to other players. Similarly, if you almost fill in the space it means you are close to the best.

Keep in mind, this does take league averages into account so isn't a particularly fair comparison but yes, does hopefully show stylistic differences and potential weaknesses.
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I'm sorry but I just cant take these Statsbomb wagon wheels seriously. Anyone who has watched Aurier during the time he has been at the club knows we need to move on from him. We have to trust the club they have scouted a better player to replace him. The man gives me anxiety every time he is attacked. I'm struggling to remember the last full back that made me feel as nervous as him. If me and thousands of other fans think like that imagine how his team mates feel?

I'll watch Castagne tonight if he plays and see what he's like in comparison.

 

[spids]

These are some stats, comparing the players with each other but also with averages across all the top 5 leagues. Castagne is the colours, Aurier is the black border.

So, the closer to the centre you are to the chart the worse you are at it compared to other players. Similarly, if you almost fill in the space it means you are close to the best.

Keep in mind, this does take league averages into account so isn't a particularly fair comparison but yes, does hopefully show stylistic differences and potential weaknesses.
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What I take from that comparison is that the major differences are Castagne is more passive and less risky (way lower dispossession, way higher pass completion).

 

[TheChosenOne]

I'm sorry but I just cant take these Statsbomb wagon wheels seriously. Anyone who has watched Aurier during the time he has been at the club knows we need to move on from him. We have to trust the club they have scouted a better player to replace him. The man gives me anxiety every time he is attacked. I'm struggling to remember the last full back that made me feel as nervous as him. If me and thousands of other fans think like that imagine how his team mates feel?

I'll watch Castagne tonight if he plays and see what he's like in comparison.

Aurier can turn an edge of box attack into defence in seconds but also manage to get back and concede a penalty.

 

[arunspurs]

I'm sorry but I just cant take these Statsbomb wagon wheels seriously. Anyone who has watched Aurier during the time he has been at the club knows we need to move on from him. We have to trust the club they have scouted a better player to replace him. The man gives me anxiety every time he is attacked. I'm struggling to remember the last full back that made me feel as nervous as him. If me and thousands of other fans think like that imagine how his team mates feel?

I'll watch Castagne tonight if he plays and see what he's like in comparison.

Agreed on statbomb - what it lacks is context. Both players are played in different team setup, different style. And in Castagne case different positions, as he also plays left side.

Castagne most likely wont start today. But expect to come off the bench at some point

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think you missed his point. He was saying that Walker's reaction to conceding, particularly soft, goals (he used to smile or laugh) was not appreciated by many Spurs fans.

No I understand with that point and agree with it to. I object to him saying that Spurs fans despise Walker. Maybe he just worded it poorly but that’s what he said. If what he meant was that Spurs fans despise Walker’s stupid smile after conceding a soft goal I agree completely. I too despised that smile. But that’s not what he wrote. He wrote: There's a reason Ian Walker is despised down the ages and it's not his goalkeeping.

Walker was and is not despised.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

These are some stats, comparing the players with each other but also with averages across all the top 5 leagues. Castagne is the colours, Aurier is the black border.

So, the closer to the centre you are to the chart the worse you are at it compared to other players. Similarly, if you almost fill in the space it means you are close to the best.

Keep in mind, this does take league averages into account so isn't a particularly fair comparison but yes, does hopefully show stylistic differences and potential weaknesses.
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So Aurier is better overall?

 

[C0YS]

I'm sorry but I just cant take these Statsbomb wagon wheels seriously. Anyone who has watched Aurier during the time he has been at the club knows we need to move on from him. We have to trust the club they have scouted a better player to replace him. The man gives me anxiety every time he is attacked. I'm struggling to remember the last full back that made me feel as nervous as him. If me and thousands of other fans think like that imagine how his team mates feel?

I'll watch Castagne tonight if he plays and see what he's like in comparison.

Mate I'm generally in agreement, they are more useful to analyse style than ability. Similarly, not all stats are equal, and things like tackling, in particular are very misleading.

The stats back you up though, Aurier gives the ball away a lot. He's in the bottom 10% in europe in that. What the wheel shows is he is aggressive and is a good tackler and that he tries to get past players a lot.

You can also read into this information quite creatively. Aurier has a really good tackle win percentage, yet his total successful tackles a game are not that different than Castagne, even though Castagne doesn't win as many tackles attempted as Aurier. There is no stylistic reason why castagne should be attempting more tackles, and the same pattern was true for that other turkish fullback we are linked to. So this leads me to think, is Aurier in the correct positon to make the tackles. He wins a lot of tackles but doesn't attempt a lot of tackles, what does that say?

 

[C0YS]

So Aurier is better overall?

I am firmly not a believer that stats can truly give us that information. I prefer Castagne personally.

 

[kent brockman]

I love Castagne’s versatility of being able to cover both FB positions.

Levy will love that he has only one year left on his contract at Atalanta...

 

[Japhet]

I am firmly not a believer that stats can truly give us that information. I prefer Castagne personally.

Stats are fairly useless IMO when compaing individuals. Players operate in different teams against different opponents of varying quality. They are most likely given different priorities in how they play and what they do on the pitch. Their own team mates can have a very positive or negative effect on their data and I'd be surprised if there weren't some significant differences in the way data is collected and configured across the board. All in all, pretty much a waste of time.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I am firmly not a believer that stats can truly give us that information. I prefer Castagne personally.

Yea I think eye test is always best, I'd imagine someone like Zidane had all over the place stats based on how he played but you only have to watch him for 5 mins to see he's one of the best players ever.

Stats can be helpful in certain areas for sure but I'm with you I don't think stats tell the whole picture at all. Glad you rate Castagne, hopefully we can sign him as his versitility appeals.

 

[wrd]

There's only 1 stat that matters in this world and that's your funny rating per post or your "FPP" as some have coined it on this very forum.