The Y Word

[dontcallme]

I’ve heard him mention his embarrassment of Chelsea fans on multiple occasions.

I believe he said he has even moved the stand he attends, due to the level of racism he witnessed where he went for years.

 

[dondo]

I haven’t done the chant since I was a young man and understood the history and reason behind the use of the word.
At the time the chant was first used I can understand why it was done but it’s long out stayed it welcome imo and has no relevance today.
I’m not Jewish or any religion and I believe religion should play no part in supporting a sports team

 

[riggi]

Oh joy. This is back.

 

[bigfrooj]

After forty or fifty years of hearing the y word, and saying or chanting the y word I’ve decided consciously to stop. It’s become too contentious and if it genuinely offends even one person in earshot then it’s not a word worth using. I get it and it ends here for me.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

David Baddiel, who thought it was acceptable a mere 25 years ago to wear blackface in sketches as well as humiliate Jason Lee on a widely watched TV show, does not get to have an opinion on discrimination. Utter ****.

 

[riggi]

Like anyone chants in the new stadium anyway ?

 

[Dov67]

The word is YID - your can say YID. You do not have to say Y-word like its some kind of profanity.

FFS change the title of this title of this thread and stop buying into the bullshit narrative that you mustn’t even say the word or even write it down.

as I have said before the problem Baddiel has with this word is not because he finds it offensive or it encourages more racism (as if racists need any encouragement to be racist) - he hates it because it embarrasses and shames him as Jewish Chelsea fan, because his football club is perhaps the most antisemitic in the league while his most hated rivals Tottenham Hotspur, by contrast are the most welcoming and philo-Semitic in the League, perhaps the world. Good - he should be embarrassed and ashamed.

BTW, i say this as a practising, synagogue-going, kosher keeping observant Jew, for whom my religion and heritage is the single most important part of who I am. I will never ever stop chanting YID ARMY, and Baddiel and the club can go and do one !!

 

[FeilSpurs]

There is a lot that can be discussed about the y words positive/negative impact on all the
different community’s around. However, it seems pretty pointless to bring this up again
when Chelsea and west ham fans are still proudly chanting their racist shit wherever they go…

when they stop the abuse, the discussion could be continued,
that said, I don’t think either will ever stop the abuse.

Not sure I can see the majority of the spurs fans giving up
this part of their identity either, no matter what happens..
There is a lot of pride involved that goes back a long way…

 

[Danfunkel]

Like anyone chants in the new stadium anyway ?

God no, would ruin my sourdough pizza.

 

[sammyj]

If it’s said in a positive way how is it offensive

 

[Gassin's finest]

Ahh... The club do this once in a while so they can say they're doing their due diligence. No dramas.

 

[Dougal]

I think the sting has been taken out of the abusive way it was used 15-20 years ago. The sting has been taken out of being a football fan in general so it’s no surprise. The hate and rivalry in football is so fake now, almost as though it’s not real if it’s not recorded for social media. If a tree falls in the woods and it doesn’t have a mobile phone to record it does it make a sound? Probably time to let it go but also acknowledge that by claiming it for ourselves we won the war on the abuse we were getting. Not to say there aren’t still a few battles being fought. But that generation are on the back foot. Problems in society outside football stadiums deserve more of our attention now. The stadiums themselves are the most sanitised places in the country.

 

[philip]

The word is YID - your can say YID. You do not have to say Y-word like its some kind of profanity.

FFS change the title of this title of this thread and stop buying into the bullshit narrative that you mustn’t even say the word or even write it down.

as I have said before the problem Baddiel has with this word is not because he finds it offensive or it encourages more racism (as if racists need any encouragement to be racist) - he hates it because it embarrasses and shames him as Jewish Chelsea fan, because his football club is perhaps the most antisemitic in the league while his most hated rivals Tottenham Hotspur, by contrast are the most welcoming and philo-Semitic in the League, perhaps the world. Good - he should be embarrassed and ashamed.

BTW, i say this as a practising, synagogue-going, kosher keeping observant Jew, for whom my religion and heritage is the single most important part of who I am. I will never ever stop chanting YID ARMY, and Baddiel and the club can go and do one !!

As a fellow synagogue going, Shabbat-observing, skullcap wearing Orthodox Jew, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've written.

When Spurs fans call themselves YIDS, it's a proud label of fellowship and support against the racism that Spurs fans suffered for years from other clubs.

YID ARMY!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

As a fellow synagogue going, Shabbat-observing, skullcap wearing Orthodox Jew, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've written.

When Spurs fans call themselves YIDS, it's a proud label of fellowship and support against the racism that Spurs fans suffered for years from other clubs.

YID ARMY!

I remember reading on here years ago (while still playing at WHL) I'm not sure if it was a member of the forum, or am article somebody shared.

But it was from a Jewish guy, in the middle of the first bullshit statement from Baddiel that started the whole "Y word must be stopped" stuff.

The guy said about being bullied growing up, having insults thrown his way as an adult & dealing with Antisemitism throughout his whole life. BUT he said, come Saturday afternoon, he never felt safer, as he was surrounded by 36000 fellow YIDS & he was proud to sit in the stadium and chant YID ARMY.

Maybe it's not my place to comment on this matter, as I'm not Jewish. But I did spend the first 10 years in my life in Seven Sisters, so am more than aware of the huge Jewish community in that and the surrounding areas.

So if those guys are happy with the chanting, I couldn't give a fuck what an un-funny ex sidekick of Frank Skinner has to say, or a bunch of self serving politicians who have probably never even stepped foot in Tottenham.

COYS YID ARMY

 

[dontcallme]

I remember reading on here years ago (while still playing at WHL) I'm not sure if it was a member of the forum, or am article somebody shared.

But it was from a Jewish guy, in the middle of the first bullshit statement from Baddiel that started the whole "Y word must be stopped" stuff.

The guy said about being bullied growing up, having insults thrown his way as an adult & dealing with Antisemitism throughout his whole life. BUT he said, come Saturday afternoon, he never felt safer, as he was surrounded by 36000 fellow YIDS & he was proud to sit in the stadium and chant YID ARMY.

Maybe it's not my place to comment on this matter, as I'm not Jewish. But I did spend the first 10 years in my life in Seven Sisters, so am more than aware of the huge Jewish community in that and the surrounding areas.

So if those guys are happy with the chanting, I couldn't give a fuck what an un-funny ex sidekick of Frank Skinner has to say, or a bunch of self serving politicians who have probably never even stepped foot in Tottenham.

COYS YID ARMY

All fair points. The problem is that not every Jewish person feels the same. Especially those outside of football and have no idea about the context we’re using it in

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

All fair points. The problem is that not every Jewish person feels the same. Especially those outside of football and have no idea about the context we’re using it in

I didn't say they did. And I clearly stated it was the opinion of one man.

But thanks for once again picking me up in yet another post.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Context.

All fair points. The problem is that not every Jewish person feels the same. Especially those outside of football and have no idea about the context we’re using it in

If someone doesn’t understand context then that is their responsibility- you can’t exactly form an opinion until you have a full understanding?

 

[gio747]

David Baddiel, who thought it was acceptable a mere 25 years ago to wear blackface in sketches as well as humiliate Jason Lee on a widely watched TV show, does not get to have an opinion on discrimination. Utter ****.

What complete nonsense. If all of us who discriminated in the past didn’t get to have an opinion on it then no one would have an opinion. You mightn’t like David Baddiel but that doesn’t make him wrong.

 

[dontcallme]

I didn't say they did. And I clearly stated it was the opinion of one man.

But thanks for once again picking me up in yet another post.

I wasn’t disagreeing with you. Just adding onto it.

 

[dontcallme]

Context.

If someone doesn’t understand context then that is there responsibility- you can’t exactly form an opinion until you have a full understanding?

I think expecting the population, including those who have no interest in football, to understand the context of why a large group of football favs are singing Yid Army is completely unrealistic.