The vent thread

[millsey]

I see the main theme in various thread this season is "our players are rotten", after having the main theme for the two most recent axed coaches be "our head coach is rotten". I'm sorry, I don't buy this crap at all.

Many keep repeating a certain muchness-quote from Sherwood, but that is the same man who announced that our squad was fantastic and didn't need improvement.

No, sorry. Looking at our squad, name for name, most of them would walk into the team of any well-doing club so far this season. (Save maybe two clubs). For crying out fudging loud, Sigurdsson who was rated the icon of muchness at our club is rocking Swansea! He came from the same lot which now is "average".

Most of our players have a close association with their respective national team. Many have shown in a Spurs-shirt before what they are capable of. Some are in fact really really good. One is from the highest level of professional footballers. We've seen great capacity from a lot of them in the past.


It must be worse before it gets better an expressions goes. But at Spurs it looks to be worse – before it gets even worse.
We have a squad which piece by piece should be fighting for 5th in the present league standing. But our club is of lesser capacity than the sum of its parts presently. That isn't because our players are shit.

So whats the problem then?

 

[jordanshl]

Honestly, the only reason I would consider keeping my season ticket is because I don't want to sit on the back of a 10 year wait list again (sure this will decrease after this season).

After the Stoke game (culmination of 3 years of dross) I am questioning what kind of value I get for paying £70 to THFC every two weeks. We are less exciting than when I first came to Spurs (the Ginola year) yet the price has doubled. All I get to see now is a game of human chess, no passing, no positioning, no idea. It's not that we are losing regularly (we've been there before), its the way in which we are doing it.

Our team is the remnants of Levy, most players we have weren't wanted by any Spurs manager and Levy is simply using the club as an IG trading account for players....wait for someone who is under 26 and under £7m, pick him up, sell him after one good season (if they have one)...

Club is so rotten that it will take years of mid-table to correct. The problem is that these years of 8-12 finishes will come with the most expensive tickets in the club's history

 

[adamsky]

I am also sick of hearing the 'Levy has been great for Spurs' brigade. As far as I'm concerned, he has done no more than he should have. We have approximately the 5/6 highest turnover in league, and that is pretty much where we have finished as an average over the years. This is basically par, a 'great chairman' should have a better record than 2 top 4 finishes in over 10 years. If you look at his actual decisions, be it managers or choosing when to back managers, his record has been pretty dreadful. The very least we should expect is some financial competency, and for this he gets heralded as one of the shrewdest chairman. With a couple of good decisions we could and should have done better over the last decade, I mean we had a team with arguably 4/5 world class players that was crying out for any form of striker and we had Crouch, Pav and Defoe, ( not to forget the fantastic signing of Saha).

Think the time has come for a major change at the top, we need some serious rebuilding and I have no confidence that Levy is the man to do it.

 

[KingKay]

Capoue isn't even half the player that Sandro is. I can't even believe that people on here where suggesting otherwise. Big mistake selling him.

 

[nav007_2000]

big mistake selling all our best players. full stop!

 

[wadewill]

Capoue isn't even half the player that Sandro is. I can't even believe that people on here where suggesting otherwise. Big mistake selling him.

I should think Sandro's injury had something to do with it, all about future sell on value with Spurs.

I have never felt like this with Spurs, its terrible, have no faith, just dont care.

I dont blame Poch either, I quite like him. This board is a joke, we need a complete overhaul.

 

[Marty]

I am also sick of hearing the 'Levy has been great for Spurs' brigade. As far as I'm concerned, he has done no more than he should have. We have approximately the 5/6 highest turnover in league, and that is pretty much where we have finished as an average over the years. This is basically par, a 'great chairman' should have a better record than 2 top 4 finishes in over 10 years. If you look at his actual decisions, be it managers or choosing when to back managers, his record has been pretty dreadful. The very least we should expect is some financial competency, and for this he gets heralded as one of the shrewdest chairman. With a couple of good decisions we could and should have done better over the last decade, I mean we had a team with arguably 4/5 world class players that was crying out for any form of striker and we had Crouch, Pav and Defoe, ( not to forget the fantastic signing of Saha).

Think the time has come for a major change at the top, we need some serious rebuilding and I have no confidence that Levy is the man to do it.

Levy WAS great for Spurs. He got us out of a decade and a half of mid-table mediocrity whilst remaining financially solvent and would have established us as a solid CL club had it not been for the Chelski/Sheik City cash injections ruining his master plan.

But the way he has conducted himself and run the club since we missed out on CL in 2012 raises serious question marks. He made a few mistakes in the years up to 2012 as well but since then it's gone from one mistake to the next IMO. Hasn't made a truly good decision since hiring 'Arry.

 

[Chezaspur]

As much as I agree that our players are playing crap, I can't believe that they are crap players.Most of them have international caps.
Even with a bunch of half decent non capped players you will get results if they gel as a team.
This has been a downward spiral since 'Arry left so the problem must be the managers (s) , the system or both. Personally I think it is (was) the subborness of AVB and Poch to change their system.

 

[MarkyP]

Starting to think it wasn't Poch.. but players at Southampton... judging by their performances again this season....

 

[walworthyid]

Capoue isn't even half the player that Sandro is. I can't even believe that people on here where suggesting otherwise. Big mistake selling him.

You got that right! I think it was his fitness issues. But at his best he is a class or 2 above capoue.

 

[adamsky]

Levy WAS great for Spurs. He got us out of a decade and a half of mid-table mediocrity whilst remaining financially solvent and would have established us as a solid CL club had it not been for the Chelski/Sheik City cash injections ruining his master plan.

But the way he has conducted himself and run the club since we missed out on CL in 2012 raises serious question marks. He made a few mistakes in the years up to 2012 as well but since then it's gone from one mistake to the next IMO. Hasn't made a truly good decision since hiring 'Arry.

I don't think he was ever that great. We got Jol after his appointment Santini left left a few games into the season, he then replaced him with Ramos and we ended up with Redknapp when we were desperate. Luckily that turned out to be a good move but it was hardly inspirational thinking; it was the same thing Southampton and Portsmouth did when they my were threatened by relegation. We had a few good years because we should have a few good years when you spend the money we did by law of averages, but if you actually look at his decisions they have almost all been poor. But give the man credit, he did build a training ground and possibly will one day a stadium.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

Commoli was being interviewed by Alan Brazil this morning and said that we have no scouting network any more. Whats the deal here? Is he right?

 

[Jamturk]

Commoli was being interviewed by Alan Brazil this morning and said that we have no scouting network any more. Whats the deal here? Is he right?

I find that hard to fathom considering we've employed Ian Broomfield.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I was dismayed that we ignored Benitez in the summer when it was made clear he wanted the job.

Right now he wouldn't give us a second look.

Where did the stories come from about Benitez being interested? I haven't read anything about that. Not sure how easy it would have been to negotiate with Napoli tbh.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Where did the stories come from about Benitez being interested? I haven't read anything about that. Not sure how easy it would have been to negotiate with Napoli tbh.

A few ex Liverpool people including Carragher came out as saying he was desperate to come back to England, and wanted the Spurs job. It could've been a negotiating tactic to get a better deal out of Napoli, but it's pretty common knowledge that he wants to come back here.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

I don't think he was ever that great. We got Jol after his appointment Santini left left a few games into the season, he then replaced him with Ramos and we ended up with Redknapp when we were desperate. Luckily that turned out to be a good move but it was hardly inspirational thinking; it was the same thing Southampton and Portsmouth did when they my were threatened by relegation. We had a few good years because we should have a few good years when you spend the money we did by law of averages, but if you actually look at his decisions they have almost all been poor. But give the man credit, he did build a training ground and possibly will one day a stadium.

The only reason he is stuill around is to get the stadium built and then sell the club for mega-bucks.
Problem is, at this rate we won't be needing the new stadium!

 

[SteveH]

I find it bizarre that we have now a squad of totally confused and addled players. There is not one player who looks comfortable and confident with the system.

Now form fluctuates for any player but a whole squad people?

 

[Gassin's finest]

Pochettino is a charlatan. He inherited an already good team from Nigel Adkins, who had built that team and took it all the way to the Premiership at the first time of asking, and only got the job because his mate was chairman at Southampton. Each of those players that moved on is now doing shit, and the coach has come here as flavour of the month and shown that he has no idea what the fuck he is doing, other than sit/stand looking glum doing fuck all, mumble something about being angry, and then collecting his pay check, happy in the knowledge that he'll get a bumper pay off if he gets the boot.

I see nothing, nothing that suggests there is any kind of system, philosophy, tactics... whatever being implemented here. Everyone is bumbling around without a clear idea what the other player is doing, or what they're meant to be doing. You can blame players to an extent.. but if they keep doing the same thing over and over again... you have to look to the coaching.

Looking for a forward thinking, motivational young ENGLISH manager who never played the game, and approaches it from the perspective of a physio and tactician? Well look no further than Adkins, who did fucking wonders with Scnthorpe(sic) United, and then again with Southampton. But his name doesn't sound all foreign and exotic so he can't be good right?

And breathe...

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I find it bizarre that we have now a squad of totally confused and addled players. There is not one player who looks comfortable and confident with the system.

Now form fluctuates for any player but a whole squad people?

When I was an athlete, in my younger days, we would have seriously hard training periods, they could be mental. And I enjoyed it. However, the extra hard periods were never mixed with the periods in which we had to perform in competitions. Peaking the form often went hand in hand with planning easier training sessions. So...

 

[walworthyid]

My biggest issue is the lack of visible progress. For that reason alone my opinion is that poch needs to go.