The vent thread

[stevenurse]

Can we please have a thread for all the potentially kneejerk, irrational, immediate thoughts after our games at the moment?

I personally cannot stand this team at the moment. there isn't anyone I'd say was a favourite player. just a bunch of average, gutless pussies and I've got the same apathy of our games as I do with England.

There's one thing being "in transition" but when you can't see any change whatsoever apart from becoming markedly worse to watch and have repeatedly shit results yet fed the same bollocks week after week it's hard to be positive.

We were sold on this high pressing, exciting philosophy but we've only see the same dross we were served with AVB. Surely we should be seeing this in 3 months? Even in tiny glimpses

It's radical and completely a kneejerk thing to suggest but right now I'd say put every one of them up for sale in Jan (apart from Lloris, Mason, Kane) and start again. Bringing in 5/6 players and shipping out the shite we have now couldn't perform any more shit or be any worse to watch

I know a lot of people will "doh, disagree or WTF" this post but it's exactly what this thread is for. The stuff before you're able to sit back and reflect with a reasonable head on

 

[fazza]

I will simply say that everything looks wrong, The formation, the tactics, the players attitudes, I don't know what to suggest, Personally I would go back to 4-4-2 as this 4-2-3-1 just isn't working at all, Square pegs in round holes, We look awful. Kaboul is captain, I wouldn't even have him in the starting 11. There is only one leader in that team and its the Goalkeeper.

 

[dk-yid]

Good idea with the vent thread.

I am sure there will be plenty of people using this thread much like the other four or five trending slamming Poch, calling him clueless and all sorts of nonsense. It would be nice if could be contained in just one thread. Then I don't have to sit and roll my eyes at it in every thread....

 

[nav007_2000]

Levy out
Poch out
Ade out
Fazio out
Capoue out

 

[DaSpurs]

I will simply say that everything looks wrong, The formation, the tactics, the players attitudes, I don't know what to suggest, Personally I would go back to 4-4-2 as this 4-2-3-1 just isn't working at all, Square pegs in round holes, We look awful. Kaboul is captain, I wouldn't even have him in the starting 11. There is only one leader in that team and its the Goalkeeper.

4-4-2 would just leave our back line exposed all the more. The problem isn't the formation itself, it's as you say, the players running it.

Far better plan would be to get rid of the asinine high back line until we have players who can press. Otherwise, it creates these massive gaps for us to be countered into. I'm not sure I've ever seen a team so easily, and successfully, countered as we.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

I have no idea why we didn't go for an experienced manager after last season, especially as Benitez seemed to be pretty much asking for the job!

I still have faith in Poch, but not with these players.

 

[Joeyboey]

Levy out
Poch out
Ade out
Fazio out
Capoue out

Kaboul benched

 

[hughy]

I wouldn't say anything you're likely to hear on here would be "unrational" (or possibly even irrational) after today's performance.

 

[daryl]

We're absokute shit,, good for fuck all,, complete waste of a Sunday and another 100 kwid down the drain, cheers poch

 

[Tom Pops]

Come to WHL and pay first class ticket prices to watch a team lacking investment!

 

[TH1239]

Here are some basic points that merit mentioning:

-Pochettino's team selections are horrendous and continually hurt this team. Vertonghen did not start the West Brom, Sunderland, City, and Stoke games in favor of FAR INFERIOR defenders in Chiriches/Fazio/Kaboul. This is inexplicable on so many levels and it's financially damaging to the club, as it devalues Vertonghen's worth, which matters, as it means even more austerity from Levy if we sell Vertonghen for less than his highest valuation. He also is the best defender on the team and it's clear when he doesn't start that the squad are far more panicked at the back.

-I'm really frustrated that Paulinho isn't being given a chance in the league. He had 6 goals and 2 assists last season. We clearly lack goals in this side. He humiliated this same Stoke team last season. Our current CMs don't score goals, they don't protect the back four, and they don't create clear cut scoring chances. So why shouldn't one of our top goal scorers from last season get a chance, instead of being exiled? I thought Pochettino was brought in to improve players? Furthermore, Levy will not sell him at a loss in January, so why not try to bring out the best in him by giving him a chance in his favored position, instead of sticking him on the right wing (an absurd decision that should've been far more talked about here).

-There is incredible naiveté when it comes to the transfer window and this weird perceived reshaping of the squad that people are expecting Levy to allow Pochettino to do. Levy doesn't sell players for major losses. We don't spend more than we bring in by outgoing sales (which hilariously, many people here defend as the right decision, lest we "Do a Leeds!"). Ergo, we will not be able to buy anyone in an inflated January market. This is even more clear when you consider the type of negotiator Levy is, and the start Pochettino has had.

-At the end of the day, the decision to hire Pochettino was all on Levy. He had two choices: Pochettino and De Boer. Pochettino's greatest achievement was earning 57 points with a good Southampton squad. Pochettino played a high pressing demanding style that required heavy investment and a reshaping of the playing squad to fit his philosophy. Pochettino would want players from Southampton he worked with previously and who we ALL knew would be very expensive, as Southampton were in no dire straits to sell cheap. De Boer's greatest achievement had been winning 4 Eredevisie titles on the bounce and countless trophies as a player. He would've played a 4-3-3 that suited our squad and made Eriksen and Vertonghen the focal point of our squad, as he'd previously worked with them. He'd require minimal spending in the transfer window, but would have reasonable targets from the much more affordable Eredevisie (or maybe an ex-player like Alderweireld). De Boer had experience juggling league and Europe commitments. He understood what it took to win as a player and manager. He also would've likely brought a coaching staff coming from one of the most renowned clubs in the world, with several ex-players like perhaps his brother and others. Knowing all of that, why would Levy have gone for Pochettino, and then spent so little in the summer? It's that type of decision-making that needs to be heavily examined and criticized if Pochettino fails.

 

[idontgetit]

 

[rocklink]

Dembele , paulinho , kaboul , capoue , soldado , adebayor , lennon , townsend , chiriches OUT ...

Baldini OUT...

Lastly Levy OUT

 

[shelfboy68]

Come to WHL and pay first class ticket prices to watch a team lacking investment!

And the best thing is it wont get any better.

 

[srups34]

The fans have been Levyed :-(

 

[Spurger King]

He's even worse than I was expecting.

My irrational, knee-jerk thought of the day is that Levy took a calculated gamble on Pochettino. If he turned out to be good...well that's great. If, as many people expected, he turned out to be in way over his head...well Levy can just sack him and distract the fans with another new manager as he treads water until the stadium is confirmed, then fuck off at the first opportunity.

If he had brought in someone with a better reputation of success (such as Benitez or De Boer) there would be way more finger pointing in Levy's direction if our squad of mediocrity weren't performing.

Pochettino is a stooge...Levy's allocated fall guy.

 

[idontgetit]

Here are some basic points that merit mentioning:

-Pochettino's team selections are horrendous and continually hurt this team. Vertonghen did not start the West Brom, Sunderland, City, and Stoke games in favor of FAR INFERIOR defenders in Chiriches/Fazio/Kaboul. This is inexplicable on so many levels and it's financially damaging to the club, as it devalues Vertonghen's worth, which matters, as it means even more austerity from Levy if we sell Vertonghen for less than his highest valuation. He also is the best defender on the team and it's clear when he doesn't start that the squad are far more panicked at the back.

-I'm really frustrated that Paulinho isn't being given a chance in the league. He had 6 goals and 2 assists last season. We clearly lack goals in this side. He humiliated this same Stoke team last season. Our current CMs don't score goals, they don't protect the back four, and they don't create clear cut scoring chances. So why shouldn't one of our top goal scorers from last season get a chance, instead of being exiled? I thought Pochettino was brought in to improve players? Furthermore, Levy will not sell him at a loss in January, so why not try to bring out the best in him by giving him a chance in his favored position, instead of sticking him on the right wing (an absurd decision that should've been far more talked about here).

-There is incredible naiveté when it comes to the transfer window and this weird perceived reshaping of the squad that people are expecting Levy to allow Pochettino to do. Levy doesn't sell players for major losses. We don't spend more than we bring in by outgoing sales (which hilariously, many people here defend as the right decision, lest we "Do a Leeds!"). Ergo, we will not be able to buy anyone in an inflated January market. This is even more clear when you consider the type of negotiator Levy is, and the start Pochettino has had.

-At the end of the day, the decision to hire Pochettino was all on Levy. He had two choices: Pochettino and De Boer. Pochettino's greatest achievement was earning 57 points with a good Southampton squad. Pochettino played a high pressing demanding style that required heavy investment and a reshaping of the playing squad to fit his philosophy. Pochettino would want players from Southampton he worked with previously and who we ALL knew would be very expensive, as Southampton were in no dire straits to sell cheap. De Boer's greatest achievement had been winning 4 Eredevisie titles on the bounce and countless trophies as a player. He would've played a 4-3-3 that suited our squad and made Eriksen and Vertonghen the focal point of our squad, as he'd previously worked with them. He'd require minimal spending in the transfer window, but would have reasonable targets from the much more affordable Eredevisie (or maybe an ex-player like Alderweireld). De Boer had experience juggling league and Europe commitments. He understood what it took to win as a player and manager. He also would've likely brought a coaching staff coming from one of the most renowned clubs in the world, with several ex-players like perhaps his brother and others. Knowing all of that, why would Levy have gone for Pochettino, and then spent so little in the summer? It's that type of decision-making that needs to be heavily examined and criticized if Pochettino fails.

Great post but I don't agree about Paulinho. The guy was a fucking liability last year and the Stoke match was pretty much his only good game. Mason is a goal scoring CM, way more capable than Paulinho. He's just more defensively aware than Pauli and doesn't get in the box as often

 

[Chris12]

He's even worse than I was expecting.

My irrational, knee-jerk thought of the day is that Levy took a calculated gamble on Pochettino. If he turned out to be good...well that's great. If, as many people expected, he turned out to be in way over his head...well Levy can just sack him and distract the fans with another new manager as he treads water until the stadium is confirmed, then fuck off at the first opportunity.

Who?

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

the itk all suggested Poch was Joe Lewis choice

 

[Chris12]

Great post but I don't agree about Paulinho. The guy was a fucking liability last year and the Stoke match was pretty much his only good game. Mason is a goal scoring CM, way more capable than Paulinho. He's just more defensively aware than Pauli and doesn't get in the box as often

Is he? Has scored one goal. I agree better defensively as Paulinho but to say he is a goal scoring CM I think is a bit false