The realism of a full rebuild

[Church]

I think what will be interesting (and important) for the summer rebuild, is whether we can get the key players that we want in early and not waiting till the last week to bring in 2-3 players.
As it has been mentioned before sometimes the realities of the window mean that you can’t the player you want in early.
But I would assume Conte would them as early as possible

 

[shelfboy68]

I think what will be interesting (and important) for the summer rebuild, is whether we can get the key players that we want in early and not waiting till the last week to bring in 2-3 players.
As it has been mentioned before sometimes the realities of the window mean that you can’t the player you want in early.
But I would assume Conte would them as early as possible

Conte like any manager will want players in early but that just won't happen.
As we just saw in January we waited until the second from last day of the window when the team was at desperation point and the price was right so expect more of the same in the summer.

 

[Spurslove]

I think what will be interesting (and important) for the summer rebuild, is whether we can get the key players that we want in early and not waiting till the last week to bring in 2-3 players.
As it has been mentioned before sometimes the realities of the window mean that you can’t the player you want in early.
But I would assume Conte would them as early as possible

In an ideal world, yes, that would be the case but alas we don't live in an ideal world. Selling clubs and players' agents all want the highest bids so they do everything they can to encourage bidding wars which incidentally, we've never got involved with in the past. We've made bids and the clubs can either take them or leave them, although I've noticed over the last few years, we've allowed a little more flexibility to creep in.

Unfortunately, transfer windows don't run to our rules and I would imagine Conte knows and appreciates this fact. I'm sure he and Fabio have regular meetings to discuss these things.

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[rossdapep]

I think most people expected a lot less when Conte came in. Then we went on this run, picking up points and looking like we could get top four, all the while the SSN pundits are talking up Conte leaving if we don't win anything this year.

That is the heart of the matter. If the noises coming out of every corner were saying "it's not about this year" then most fans would just be happy to see progress on the field. With so much negative press re-inforcing our pessimism, the fans are going to be like this until Conte signs a longer deal.

I think the 18-month contract angle is skewing a lot of views.

Just the other day you had Jim White parroting it as if it meant Conte had to win now and if not he'd be gone.

Thankfully, Simon Jordan explained to him that it made sense because it gave both Levy/Tottenham and Conte a taster to see if they could both get what they want from the agreement/relationship.

Will Conte have a strategy and not run his mouth to the press at the first sign of not getting what he wants?
And will Levy not renege on promises given to Conte?

I think fans have bought into that and thought that it means if we hadn't signed 4 players in January or get top 4, then off Conte goes..

Summer will be that test. If we reach early August and haven't done much in the market, then you'll hear Conte's voice become more dissatisfied. And if Levy and co live up to their end of the bargain, we may instead hear noises about a contract extension.

Although, it wouldn't completely surprise me, if Conte were to perform a miracle and won the PL before his 18 months were up, he left on a high.

 

[Dillspur]

Conte like any manager will want players in early but that just won't happen.
As we just saw in January we waited until the second from last day of the window when the team was at desperation point and the price was right so expect more of the same in the summer.

If we're targeting some of the higher profile free agents, I don't see why they wouldn't be signed up in the first week or 2 of the window? We're free to negotiate with them now, right? I doubt they're going to want to wait until the end of summer to sign for a new team?

 

[shelfboy68]

If we're targeting some of the higher profile free agents, I don't see why they wouldn't be signed up in the first week or 2 of the window? We're free to negotiate with them now, right? I doubt they're going to want to wait until the end of summer to sign for a new team?

Who knows you might be right but with that the players will be playing clubs off one another to earn a giant signing on fee and wages it will be interesting.

 

[Dillspur]

Who knows you might be right but with that the players will be playing clubs off one another to earn a giant signing on fee and wages it will be interesting.

that maybe true, but those players can do that now, and if they are willing to wait until the end of summer and miss preseason, then we shouldn't be signing them. Not the right attitude.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I have said previously this is going to be like turning around a train for a bit. But, think January was a step in the right direction for the club. Honestly, it Would be cool to get some signings (club transfers, not just frees) in the door right away come the summer. That, on top of maybe a free signing or two would make a world of difference and indicate positive change for me. Shows not only a determination to give Conte the best chance possible to implement his ways but also would display an actual preparation for the window.

 

[Roberts84]

We already saw in January we lost out on two targets in Diaz and Traore. This summer it could easily happen again.

So yes I’m optimistic and hopeful, but until we actually bring in these quality players to improve us, well it’s difficult to move away from the feeling that this is Spurs, and we will end up losing out and having to bring in second or their choice targets.

Anyway that’s all out of our control.

Another thing is people keep taking about Liverpool, but that was one of the most exceptional football rebuilding jobs we’ve seen in decades. They signed players that went on to become world class PL performers. They got it spot on in almost every key deal they did. Our rebuild was supposed to have started last summer and we signed Emerson and Gil which in hindsight look bizarre signings for different reasons.

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[Ghost Hardware]

I am quite curious to know what Conte will want to aim for next season. If the goal is to actually challenge at the very top then all the players listed, CM, RWB, CB, forward will have to be of serious quality as looking at our team now the level is just so low that getting young developing players or rotation options won’t cut it. Major improvements across the pitch will be needed if we have any hope of catching the likes Chelsea, Liverpool and City. realistically speaking I just don’t see us bringing in 5 or 6 players of a high enough standard in one window. That in itself, whether they are free transfers, straight up purchases, loans with options or a bit of everything would be a monumental undertaking I just can’t see how it would be achievable. Bringing in 5 players of varying abilities, yes, I could see that happening. But personally I don’t see that as being enough to get us back up there. And aside from that there is the Harry Kane question if we don’t get top 4, nobody knows where his head will be at come summer, including himself probably. But without CL, I don’t think it’s a guarantee he stays no mater how much he likes and believes in Conte.

Getting us back up the table competing will be a long expensive process and I’m okay with that, as long as we are clearly moving forward each window I don’t see much to complain about overall. But I must say, I would be surprised if Conte is happy to oversee a longer project, I guess time will tell. Ether way, summer will be very interesting and hope we finally get some luck when picking our targets, especially those on a free.

 

[septicsac]

Can understand the reasoning and planning ahead for next season, with the hope we can also achieve top 4 with what we got. Jan is a notoriously difficult time to do business as well.

My worry is that someone at the club sanctioned the Emerson deal and even the optimists among us most worry that even allowing for age and settling in he looks woefully short of the level re require. I just hope that someone was not Patrici or it seriously calls into doubt his credibility going forward?

 

[Spurslove]

Can understand the reasoning and planning ahead for next season, with the hope we can also achieve top 4 with what we got. Jan is a notoriously difficult time to do business as well.

My worry is that someone at the club sanctioned the Emerson deal and even the optimists among us most worry that even allowing for age and settling in he looks woefully short of the level re require. I just hope that someone was not Patrici or it seriously calls into doubt his credibility going forward?

My guess is that it probably was Fabio who brought him in, but then again, so too did he bring Romero and Bentancur who looked excellent, even in his short cameo last Wednesday.

Nobody gets it right every time, and a lot of it has to be down to the player who may or may not be able to adapt to the speed and general physicality of the EPL which is probably the toughest league in the world to come into and be expected to deliver from day one.

Emerson may yet come good, he's only been with us a few short months, but I admit he does worry me.

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[Trix]

My worry is that someone at the club sanctioned the Emerson deal and even the optimists among us most worry that even allowing for age and settling in he looks woefully short of the level re require. I just hope that someone was not Patrici or it seriously calls into doubt his credibility going forward?

As I've said the difference now is that they'll need to be approved by Conte, and he's been more than vocal about our wasting money on substandard and wrong fit players. Doesn't matter who the scouts recommend or who FP thinks is good, if AC doesn't think so they won't be coming.

 

[worcestersauce]

I am at this point just happy that we are finally aiming for a full rebuild I really feel it isn't being done piecemeal this time.
I realised yesterday that of the team that started our semi final against Ajax only Lloris, Moura and Son remain, Winks and Kane came in for the final but then Moura would have been dropped plus we're on our 3rd manager since then. Liverpool on the other hand have lost Wijnaldam, all the rest remain including the manager.
In that time we've brought in and shipped out again four or five players including our two record signings, in short it's been an absolute bleeding debacle, a complete farce, so we have to get it right this time, we need to grow up and understand it ain't happening overnight and it's worth waiting for the right players.

 

[Spurslove]

I am at this point just happy that we are finally aiming for a full rebuild I really feel it isn't being done piecemeal this time.
I realised yesterday that of the team that started our semi final against Ajax only Lloris, Moura and Son remain, Winks and Kane came in for the final but then Moura would have been dropped plus we're on our 3rd manager since then. Liverpool on the other hand have lost Wijnaldam, all the rest remain including the manager.
In that time we've brought in and shipped out again four or five players including our two record signings, in short it's been an absolute bleeding debacle, a complete farce, so we have to get it right this time, we need to grow up and understand it ain't happening overnight and it's worth waiting for the right players.

Yes, and exactly as Conte has said himself a few times in his pressers.

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[worcestersauce]

Yes, and exactly as Conte has said himself a few times in his pressers.

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He has indeed.
To be honest what surprised me was the wholesale change we'd made without moving forward at all, I hadn't realised that.

 

[septicsac]

As I've said the difference now is that they'll need to be approved by Conte, and he's been more than vocal about our wasting money on substandard and wrong fit players. Doesn't matter who the scouts recommend or who FP thinks is good, if AC doesn't think so they won't be coming.

Good to hear Trix, not before time either, the amount of money we have wasted over the years is scandalous.

 

[Spurslove]

Chris Cowlin has said in his latest video, that we have made a 'powerful bid' for the services of AC Milans' Frank Kessie to join us in the summer. Who would he be an upgrade on?

Obviously, as a freebie, there'll be other clubs after him I'd guess.

 

[Spursberg]

As I've said the difference now is that they'll need to be approved by Conte, and he's been more than vocal about our wasting money on substandard and wrong fit players. Doesn't matter who the scouts recommend or who FP thinks is good, if AC doesn't think so they won't be coming.

Well since Conte will probably only be here one more season, if Paratici goes back to picking players like Emerson and Golini, we are doomed. Emerson for 25 mil is stil absolutely shocking to me after watching him this season

i just can't se him turning out good, even if he is young, he looks so stressed and his body and technique sometimes reminds me of some defenders in sunday league football, like he has no control over his body

 

[Guntz]

IMO, in order to actually be able to compete for trophies. We need to upgrade the following players in our starting 11:

Davies
Winks
Sanchez
Royal
Reguilon (arguable)
PEH (arguable)
Lucas (arguable)

Hopefully, Kulusevski and Bentancur can address RW and CM. But still, that's a lot of work to do in the summer.