The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Archibald&Crooks]

Purely my opinion, obviously:

I think many of the people around him don’t have the courage to challenge him. So for their own protection they tell him what they believe he wants to hear. They tend to amplify weaknesses rather than remedy them.

And he doesn’t have the will to hire people who will consistently tell him when he’s wrong.

So the small, tight board has largely become conservative and complacent.

He is stubborn and finds it hard to question his own judgement.

He is very good at some things but very bad at others.

I’ve been told by @Albertbarich that you either want him out or you don’t, but I honestly believe that kind of binary outlook is overly simplistic and isn't helpful. I think his mistakes have been very damaging to our club. If there were a ready market in successful owners and chairs of PL clubs, I swap him out for one of them in a heartbeat. But of course there are far more owners of football clubs who fail than succeed so I can’t simply say that I want him in or out. It makes no sense.

I want him to improve or I want a new owner who I can be much more confident about bringing us football success. Who wouldn’t?

But I don’t believe he’s poison. Neither do I believe he’s the very best we can possibly do. But I’m wary of forcing him out (if it were possible) because there are worse devils lurking out there that we don’t know, so until I know who is most likely to replace him and/or ENIC, I reserve judgement.

TLDR: be careful what you wish for

 

[jolsnogross]

We've been here before. Jol, Redknapp, and Poch all know more about football strategy than Levy or anyone else at the club at the time. The same is true of Ange. But at a certain point, Levy will think otherwise, or be persuaded by someone in his circle. I'm not sure if he's genuinely that egotistical and clueless, or if he just gets guarded when a manager is at the top of their game and feels the need to undermine him. Either way, as night follows day, Levy will find a way or a reason to change from the course the manager has set.

You can enjoy the footy and the trajectory for as long as it lasts and also know that we'll shoot ourselves in the foot eventually because of who the chairman is. It's just a matter of time.

 

[JacoZA]

For those who currently want Levy out completely (as opposed to maybe just stepping aside for the "football people" to do their thing) - what would it take for him to redeem himself in your eyes? Would that even be possible?

 

[Yantino]

For those who currently want Levy out completely (as opposed to maybe just stepping aside for the "football people" to do their thing) - what would it take for him to redeem himself in your eyes? Would that even be possible?

Nope.

 

[newbie]

People do change. Your divorce lawyer is full of shit, especially since a divorce usually happens because people change whilst in a relationship.

Has levy learnt anything? Possibly/possibly not.

We will see if he backs ange when we are at a point of strength. Usually that's when he doesn't.

Actually, he was spot on! Of course you dont know the full context, but sometimes, something has a hold over people and they can't help burn the world down around them!

i don't believe Levy will change he may improve but I think he will be sucked in, to being levy again!

People rarely change from expereince! Often you believe people have changed because you only see a snapshot of outside you don't see what really happening! it looks like from the outside Levy has changed but Rob and the ITK would probably dispute this from what they hear!

 

[newbie]

For those who currently want Levy out completely (as opposed to maybe just stepping aside for the "football people" to do their thing) - what would it take for him to redeem himself in your eyes? Would that even be possible?

if he puts his balls on the block and supports Ange and backs him in the dark times,
we look like we have a clear strategy,
get recruitment better
lets the football people run the club

 

[Rob]

For those who currently want Levy out completely (as opposed to maybe just stepping aside for the "football people" to do their thing) - what would it take for him to redeem himself in your eyes? Would that even be possible?

• To really step back and give football control over to our football director, i.e. here's your £100m transfer budget, go spend it and whatever you bring in.
• Get rid of some of the incompetence around him (bye Donna!) and stop taking the piss out of the fans (ridiculous ticket prices, etc)
• Make progress on some non-football issues (naming rights, sponsors, etc).

 

[easley91]

Actually, he was spot on! Of course you dont know the full context, but sometimes, something has a hold over people and they can't help burn the world down around them!

i don't believe Levy will change he may improve but I think he will be sucked in, to being levy again!

People rarely change from expereince! Often you believe people have changed because you only see a snapshot of outside you don't see what really happening! it looks like from the outside Levy has changed but Rob and the ITK would probably dispute this from what they hear!

So the line "people never change" is wrong then if it happens sometimes? Some people change, some people don't. It's not 100% either way. For some they can see the need to change, while others it can take years, even decades and by then it is far too late. And then others are so stuck in their stubbornness they refuse to change or just can't.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

We've been here before. Jol, Redknapp, and Poch all know more about football strategy than Levy or anyone else at the club at the time. The same is true of Ange. But at a certain point, Levy will think otherwise, or be persuaded by someone in his circle. I'm not sure if he's genuinely that egotistical and clueless, or if he just gets guarded when a manager is at the top of their game and feels the need to undermine him. Either way, as night follows day, Levy will find a way or a reason to change from the course the manager has set.

You can enjoy the footy and the trajectory for as long as it lasts and also know that we'll shoot ourselves in the foot eventually because of who the chairman is. It's just a matter of time.

Levy is not stupid and must realise that the appointments of Mourinho, Nuno and Conte were an unmitigated disaster. Even the most uneducated football fan must have seen and breathed the last 3-4 years of toxic, turgid and negative culture, even Levy.

 

[hakano]

For those who currently want Levy out completely (as opposed to maybe just stepping aside for the "football people" to do their thing) - what would it take for him to redeem himself in your eyes? Would that even be possible?

Leopards and spots come to mind and so I have zero confidence in him doing the right things to bring footballing success to the club. He is not a football man and the business side will always trump the football side for him.

 

[HodisGawd]

Leopards and spots come to mind and so I have zero confidence in him doing the right things to bring footballing success to the club. He is not a football man and the business side will always trump the football side for him.

Strange. I feel quite confident about footballing success right now. I feel the club is moving in the right direction. Success is never guaranteed, all you can do is try to do the right things, and it appears we are.

 

[DCSPUR64]

• To really step back and give football control over to our football director, i.e. here's your £100m transfer budget, go spend it and whatever you bring in.
• Get rid of some of the incompetence around him (bye Donna!) and stop taking the piss out of the fans (ridiculous ticket prices, etc)
• Make progress on some non-football issues (naming rights, sponsors, etc).

Thank you for your post, perhaps Donna is partly responsible for the ticket prices and I appreciate your opinion.
However the times I have had to deal
with Mrs Cullen on a personal basis in regards to my tickets with the club, she has been phenomenal and as this is a open social media, I wanted to mention this.
As far as Daniel goes, yes we are in a better place right now, so hopefully he does not make the same horrible mistakes as In the past, here’s hoping.
COYS.

 

[Rob]

Thank you for your post, perhaps Donna is partly responsible for the ticket prices and I appreciate your opinion.
However the times I have had to deal
with Mrs Cullen on a personal basis in regards to my tickets with the club, she has been phenomenal and as this is a open social media, I wanted to mention this.
As far as Daniel goes, yes we are in a better place right now, so hopefully he does not make the same horrible mistakes as In the past, here’s hoping.
COYS.

There are hundreds of examples of absolutely shocking PR blunders over the last decade. Heads should have rolled a long time ago.

 

[Stamford]

His obsession with FFP and it being implemented honestly feels like pie in the sky stuff

 

[HodisGawd]

His obsession with FFP and it being implemented honestly feels like pie in the sky stuff

No, I think it's the right thing to do whether it's pie-in-the-sky or not.

Are you suggesting we should just ignore FFP, spend spend spend, break the rules and accept getting banned later on down the line?

I think we should set an example, push for more regulation and if others want to continue to transgress then that's up to them.

It's what us, the fans, want. You can't complain about clubs being dopedl and at the same time complain when your club tries to push back on it.

I have no problem with Levy in this regard. We should be proud of our position on this relative to other clubs. Football needs more regulation, not for us to just meekly give up.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Eddie Howe also talking about FFP, not just Levy

FFP restrictions are forcing us to sell Allan Saint-Maximin​

 

[newbie]

So the line "people never change" is wrong then if it happens sometimes? Some people change, some people don't. It's not 100% either way. For some they can see the need to change, while others it can take years, even decades and by then it is far too late. And then others are so stuck in their stubbornness they refuse to change or just can't.

Its rare people change happy now!

 

[Rob]

Eddie Howe also talking about FFP, not just Levy

FFP restrictions are forcing us to sell Allan Saint-Maximin​

We're in over a £500m positive position with FFP. If managing it well for over a decade doesn't allow you to progress on the pitch, what's the point? At some stage it just becomes an excuse rather than a reason. At least we won't "do a Leeds"

 

[Dazzazzad]

We're in over a £500m positive position with FFP. If managing it well for over a decade doesn't allow you to progress on the pitch, what's the point? At some stage it just becomes an excuse rather than a reason. At least we won't "do a Leeds"

We are progressing on the pitch.

Chelsea keep spending and are regressing.

 

[Hoopspur]

Personally I'm (reasonably) happy with the recruitment on the pitch and I'm sure more funds will be ploughed into both the first team and reserve/development squads.
Hopefully the recruitment of more 'football people' will help achieve better results on the table.
I couldn't give 2 flying figs about Donna Cullen tbh as I really do not take much notice of club communications with the fans.

Levy has patently made mistakes
The last number of Managers/Coaches have been an unmitigated disaster, coupled with the style of football these guys have attempted to play.
Yes, the ticket prices etc but to think that's going to change is naive. It may in the short term but will they reduce? No.
I have other personal issues with the club's decision/new stadium/price of beer etc but that's another matter.

DL must care though. To suggest these mistakes and fans singing songs about him have not been recognised or not hurt must be wrong. He's just a businessman and doesn't get football or care. What? And he is content and not trying to fix these?

The internet is a toxic place and there are a lot of sheep on it.

At this moment in time I recognise that the club is trying to take a further step forward, so I'm happy for now once more (until after Sunday of course).

*Cue now the cheap jokes about 'thanks Donna or Daniel' that are bound to follow this