The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[IamSpurtacus]

I'm not sure about Leicester, but Kronkes and John Heny are both mutli-billionaires.
DL isn't.
So no, we dont have the resources to compete; even if we want to.

Kroenke and Liverpool's owners haven't put much of their own money in....we can easily compete with them

 

[ultimateloner]

You obviously need good scouting but Arsenal haven’t spent that much more than us in the past 3-5 years. We are spending more now the stadium is done, sure we have to be clever but if our manager is a Poch type who develops younger players there is a way round it.

what we can’t do is hire win it now managers as they require players fully developed and we cannot afford them.

I agree with this mentality.

I just think on top of the right set up you need to be really lucky. The stars really aligned for us in those few good years. Kane emerging (best English striker of his generation), the right manager, Son coming good (best Asian striker ever), CL-worthy players in multiple positions (Toby, Dembele, Eriksen, Walker), a genius of a teenager (Dele)...can't see the stars align like that again really.

 

[ultimateloner]

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yeah he's also 86. therefore not the decision maker. and who knows about his heirs.

 

[ultimateloner]

Kroenke and Liverpool's owners haven't put much of their own money in....we can easily compete with them

I dont get this. It seems to go against your point. we are at close to bottom on the second table.

 

[Dave1882]

arsenal, liverpool and leciester have shown that's not true.

You just need owners pulling in the same direction as the manager, and focused on winning

we don't have that

Newcastle & Chelski have been bought and have huge cash reserves since Leicester won the league. Utd about to be bought and Liverpool are hardly short of cash, alike with gooners. The rich are getting richer which will make competing with them on our current terms impossible

 

[Albertbarich]

yeah he's also 86. therefore not the decision maker. and who knows about his heirs.

That has nothing to do with what you were saying though.

You said we couldn't compete because DL isn't a multi billionaire but DL isn't our owner , Lewis is and he is very much a multi billionaire. He just happens to be one that isn't interested in the club.

 

[Bing]

arsenal, liverpool and leciester have shown that's not true.

You just need owners pulling in the same direction as the manager, and focused on winning

we don't have that

At the end of the day Arsenal took a huge risk with Arteta. Spurs fans would not have been happy with that appointment (his goon days as a player aside) and the pitchforks would've been out with some of the results. It has somehow paid off for them but it was massive gamble.

You can say the lesson learnt is pick somebody with a good character/personality, regardless of track record, and continue to back them in the transfer market even when things are going badly. It has worked out for them but it could've been cataostrophic.

The Leicester and Liverpool examples are less informative in my opinion as Leicester was a complete fluke and Liverpool are such a massive club they were always going to get back on top.

 

[ultimateloner]

That has nothing to do with what you were saying though.

You said we couldn't compete because DL isn't a multi billionaire but DL isn't our owner , Lewis is and he is very much a multi billionaire. He just happens to be one that isn't interested in the club.

Yes i made a mistake. I made the implicit assumption that whoever's in this is also interested (because of the money), but our majority owner is the odd one out, as its up to his heirs.

Doesn't really change my point though...

 

[spoon]

Next appointment really is key. Get that wrong and the pressure on Levy will be insurmountable.

Heard that when we got rid of Mourinho, then Nuno, now hearing it again with Conte.

 

[Albertbarich]

Yes i made a mistake. I made the implicit assumption that whoever's in this is also interested (because of the money), but our majority owner is the odd one out, as its up to his heirs.

Doesn't really change my point though...

I think that whilst they're here (and they're not going anywhere anytime soon) were going to have no intention of properly challenging.

They could easily up the wage bill by about 10% as I believe it's one of the lowest in terms of ratio to turnover and we have spoken many times about the money to play with within FFP but I don't think the latter is an adult argument to make.

They only care about Champions League as that's where the money and exposure is. Spending the extra needed to beyond that(consistently at least ) isn't worth their while.

 

[Dave1882]

Ok so playing it out a state-owned owner would offer more investment. So it's just a money game. We've spent a lot of money over the last 2-3 years (top of my head close to half a bil)....the fact that is'nt enough in the modern game seems to me sad state of affairs.

I personally would tend to side on not wanting to go down the Chelsea/City route....it seems so hollow and vaccous...but they win trophies so I can see the argument why people would want it

Blackburn bought the league, Chelsea bought the league, City bought the league, Newcastle will try it next.
They can do the beheadings at half time, I’m past caring.
Bring me some real success, others can say we bought it, the aforementioned fans don’t seem to mind

 

[YB123]

At the end of the day Arsenal took a huge risk with Arteta. Spurs fans would not have been happy with that appointment (his goon days as a player aside) and the pitchforks would've been out with some of the results. It has somehow paid off for them but it was massive gamble.

You can say the lesson learnt is pick somebody with a good character/personality, regardless of track record, and continue to back them in the transfer market even when things are going badly. It has worked out for them but it could've been cataostrophic.

The Leicester and Liverpool examples are less informative in my opinion as Leicester was a complete fluke and Liverpool are such a massive club they were always going to get back on top.

Leicester won an FA Cup and some successful european runs aswell. Hardly a fluke. Just good recruitment again.

 

[Albertbarich]

Heard that when we got rid of Mourinho, then Nuno, now hearing it again with Conte.

And you will keep hearing it as this fanbase (myself included) has no intention in putting the work into protests and campaigns to make his life even slightly uncomfortable.

 

[Dave1882]

Leicester won an FA Cup and some successful european runs aswell. Hardly a fluke. Just good recruitment again.

They also run their wage bill at more than their income, which is why they’ve signed almost nobody whilst hemorrhaging players in the last year or so. Owners want them to win, and have wrote of debts more than once. But they are right on the line with FFP

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Heard that when we got rid of Mourinho, then Nuno, now hearing it again with Conte.

It will never end until fans wise up

 

[g_harry]

Leicester won an FA Cup and some successful european runs aswell. Hardly a fluke. Just good recruitment again.

And good coach/manager

 

[JCRD]

And you will keep hearing it as this fanbase (myself included) has no intention in putting the work into protests and campaigns to make his life even slightly uncomfortable.

With respect, if I was Levy, id laugh at the protest whether that is 1000 people or 50000 people. The fact is, youd still come back because your football club is kinda difficult to get away from. And if it wasnt you sitting in those seats or buying tickets, it would be a bunch of people finding tickets on ticket exchange who wants to take their kids to a football game and if it wasnt those bunch of people, it would be tourists etc etc etc

Just not gonna happen.

We do go around in circles because we know what needs to be done but the fact is its either because we have no appetite to go through all that much trouble and hassle or because really we love our club too much to 'protest' and miss games etc.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

I dont get this. It seems to go against your point. we are at close to bottom on the second table.

You said we can't compete with Arsenal and Liverpool - Arsenal's owner has put in the same amount of cash as our owners over ten years between 2010 - 2020, adn liverpool's onwers only put in 130M in that time

We can't compete because we chose not to, not because we can't

 

[sundanceyid10]

Next appointment really is key. Get that wrong and the pressure on Levy will be insurmountable.

It would be fascinating to have a chat with him. I think Levy knows he is not a football expert - it must be why he gets in Directors of Football - but he either does not give them a clear remit and budget, or just cannot let go of the financial controls. I can understand why to some extent - DoF spunks the money and worse that happens is they move on, but Levy has to deal with the fallout.

I think the issue is bigger than Levy - it’s the board as a whole and how they have not been able to set up and get in the executive team to lead the club on the sporting side. No clear direction, too many opinions, a lot of people with power but not enough responsibility. Levy and Enic should get a chief executive in and be dealing with the big, non footballing things like the property development, commercial tie ups, and so forth

We are past that, well past Levy’s next appointment being key, we have heard this story before. We will win nothing under Levy, that’s the harsh reality.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Yeah but the point is we can't 'back' whatever clever plan it is we've devised, to the same degree the other top clubs.
We dont and is unlikely to spend 100m +/window.
We can't buy Casemiro at that price, with no sell-on value, with the sole aim of salving this season.

We need a plan that is better AND cheaper than everyone else. The chance of that is very low, because someone smart enough to do that would already be working at those clubs.

Our window to do this was around the best years of Kane, a generational striker. Instead we have pissed that window up the wall.