eddiev14
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It’s fine for them to talk if they show up on the pitch. Sissoko always shows up, without fail.
We’ve got too many who talk and then don’t show up. That’s what fucks me off.
The Mauricio Pochettino thread
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It’s fine for them to talk if they show up on the pitch. Sissoko always shows up, without fail.
We’ve got too many who talk and then don’t show up. That’s what fucks me off.
mike_l
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More so than your direct superior saying that you lot aren't good enough and he needs to let go of a load of you and bring a load of new people in order to be able to do his job properly?
It was one season of no transfers, it's no excuse for what has followed. If anything we should have seen some fluidity and consistency of performance from a group that knew each other well, instead it was just a shit show from the opening game. And before you say the squad was tired because of the WC, any good players we could have signed to improve the squad would most likely have also been at the tournament and just as unrested.
Hakkz
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I was referring to certain players feeling that a lack of investment in new faces could lead to them threading water and feeling that they are wasting time at the club. Short careers and all that.
mike_l
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That's one way of looking at it, but how would 2 seasons of half arsed performances help their careers?
Jack2
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Before he got injured his playing time was very limited, 44 minutes in 3 games and once (the 1st match, just signed) he wasn't in the squad. It has to change when he comes back if he is supposed to make a difference. I'm afraid it will be pretty much the same as with Moura when he came, it took an awful long time before Poch really included him in the squad. Hopefully I'm wrong.
markiespurs
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It’s a fucked up situation for sure
I think most of us in the Poch out camp are only there reluctantly and would much rather he stayed and succeeded in turning things around.
Will always be grateful for what he has done at the club, but sadly it’s looking increasingly likely that the only way to stop the rot is for Poch to go and to go now, while we can still salvage something from this season.
The lack of energy from our players is telling. They are no longer pressing from the front as they used to a couple of seasons ago.
7 of our starting XI were playing for us 4 seasons ago. Man City (4) and Liverpool (3) have refreshed their squads while our last has gone stale.
7 of our starting XI were playing for us 4 seasons ago. Man City (4) and Liverpool (3) have refreshed their squads while our last has gone stale.
King Ledley 26
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He's not however he is to blame for not bringing in a right back and shifting the toxic players out the door, pochettino asked for a rebuild 2 years ago and still ain't got one so there's his blame in this
danielneeds
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It’s so fucking tiresome that this place has devolved into “Poch in” and “Poch out” camps anyway. I don’t really understand how anyone can have completely made their mind up 100% either way.
Hakkz
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Well, that's the thing. They want out, and maybe they want to get away from Poch. You don't give your all for someone you don't believe in.
mike_l
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Exactly, but who do you blame for that, the players or him? Avd who's easier to get rid if, 8 or 9 players or 1 manager?
rez9000
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Of that I have absolutely no doubt. In fact I find it a bit distasteful when those who want Poch out are accused of knee-jerking, or worse not being 'real fans'. Likewise the vitriol directed at those who want Poch to stay is just as uncalled for. Some seem to forget that, whatever our stripe, what we all want is good things for Spurs. If someone wants rid of Poch, it's because they want good things for our club. If someone wants to keep the faith with Poch, it's because they want good things for our club. That's one more disheartening thing about what we're going through - that the toxicity is seeping into the fans as well.
And you may well be right. The terror for me is that if he leaves, we revert back to what we were before - scrabbling for a place at the top table. But, as you say, if it's the only way to stop the rot, it may be inevitable, whatever the future holds. Hence my conflictedness.
rabbikeane
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One camp that see the need for a change, another that want to keep their head in the sand
rez9000
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Absolute rubbish. I'm sorry, but that's the only way to put it. There's not a single person who doesn't have valid, rational reasons for believing as they do. The ones you accuse of having their 'head in the sand' believe that the best way forward is not to change, and there's nothing wrong with having that belief. That doesn't necessarily make them right, but it also doesn't make them wrong either. And it certainly doesn't make them blind.
There have been plenty who have accused those such as yourself that you're just knee-jerking and can't see the wood for the trees. I'm sure you'd disagree with that assessment. And why shouldn't you? It's just as invalid a presupposition as yours.
The most important thing is that we're not two camps - this isn't a fucking war. We're one camp of very concerned supporters who are watching their club go through a difficult period. In times like that, we should be more united, not less. Divisiveness just makes an already difficult situation toxic.
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Its a really depressing situation as I feel Poch is in a no win secarino. Hes been toatlly let down by Levy. Sad but id almost prefer Poch to walk. He was wanted by the biggest clubs in world but he chose to stay with us as he genuliy loves us. Poch has tried hard to get Levy to make the step and start investing and refreshing the team, by possibly not quashing rumours and this is maybe the wrong play by Poch but his hands were tied. Sacking Poch wont be the answer, just look at United.
mattyspurs
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Stop it, only my mum calls me Matthew. You know I don’t like it
When did United sack Poch?
sausage
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Just had a look, and can confirm that their trophies would be welcome.
double0
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Sacking Pochettinho for me is a cop out , it's taking the cheapest option again not backing the man with sufficient financial muscle.
It's not surprising the squad needs investment freshness rebooting recycling it should of been done when we missed out to Chelsea for the league and definitely post CL final Pochettinho had said this also. I guess the romance would be for Pochettinho to work his magic, turn things around, with newer younger better players but some how this looks far fetched and the reality unfortunately will be Pochettino departing before time.
For me his best bet is to sideline a number of players we all know the names and go with the Sanchez Foyth Sessegnon etc
It's not surprising the squad needs investment freshness rebooting recycling it should of been done when we missed out to Chelsea for the league and definitely post CL final Pochettinho had said this also. I guess the romance would be for Pochettinho to work his magic, turn things around, with newer younger better players but some how this looks far fetched and the reality unfortunately will be Pochettino departing before time.
For me his best bet is to sideline a number of players we all know the names and go with the Sanchez Foyth Sessegnon etc
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