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nailsy

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You have a fair point and I like it. No, we don't know if anything will get better. But many of the realists think that right now is pretty shit, which it is, and that it might regretfully be unavoidable that Pochettino will have to go or leave.

Yeah, it's definitely bad right now. I'm in the group that believe that he had a plan on what he wanted to do this season, but he hasn't been able to do it yet because of fitness/injuries. I think we at least need to see how we do when the new players are bedded in before making a decision. Saying that I can still see that he's making mistakes, and I'm not 100% sure he's got a solution to them all.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Yeah, it's definitely bad right now. I'm in the group that believe that he had a plan on what he wanted to do this season, but he hasn't been able to do it yet because of fitness/injuries. I think we at least need to see how we do when the new players are bedded in before making a decision. Saying that I can still see that he's making mistakes, and I'm not 100% sure he's got a solution to them all.

Agree 100% with the first part of this. Add lack of investment to fitness & injuries

Either back this manager 100% or Levy might as well pick the bloody side himself

Poch has smoothed over problem after problem after problem during this period we've been building a new ground, playing at Wembley etc

I think he’s done an amazing job in incredibly difficult circumstances
 

dudu

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Anyone would think that decline has been going on ever since we spent Zero In Two consecutive transfer windows...

We finished 1 point behind Chelsea and two wins away from our previous years total. I'm almost certain that was not only due to us not spending last season.

Also, wasn't there a bigger decline the previous year when we spent money in both transfer windows?
 

southlondonyiddo

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We finished 1 point behind Chelsea and two wins away from our previous years total. I'm almost certain that was not only due to us not spending last season.

Also, wasn't there a bigger decline the previous year when we spent money in both transfer windows?

From memory nearly all our 1st XI were involved in the latter stages of the World Cup

They desperately needed a good rest and some fresh blood brought in

Somehow we had a miraculous start to the following season with a team running on fumes and belief. Again they needed help in that January window but again NOTHING

When the fumes ran out our form bar the odd game (which they saved themselves for) fell off a cliff...
 

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I am very much in the Poch in camp. People need to remember where we were before he arrived.
If however he does decide to leave then Allegri would be an incredible appointment
I remember where we were for the last 3 seasons prior to Poch...4th,5th and 6th. He hardly inherited a club in turmoil. He had moved us on but he's had a very talented squad to allow him to do this.
 

Kilkenny Cat

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It’s a really important point anyone with an objective view would come to. People need to remember we were already hovering around the CL places before Poch came in. Obviously it’s a difficult step to take to finish CL regularly but Pochs tenure has coincided with the emergence of Kane and the best squad in my lifetime. So let’s be honest, if he didn’t get CL qualification, he would have been sacked ages ago. I believe CL qualification is the minimum requirement with this current Spurs squad.

Unfortunately, if you step away from the CL qualification, his tenure is open to scrutiny and it doesn’t make great reading. The Football has never been consistently great, although it was much better three or four years ago. For the last two years it’s been largely poor, and often terrible, and also there are the consistent failures to win trophies when up against our rivals. The FA Cup semi final loss to United at Wembley for me was the most disappointing result of his reign. But we’ve lost countless games against our rivals, Chelsea league cup last season, Chelsea fa cup semi final two or three seasons ago. On top of that, we have never in a single season actually properly led a title charge from the start. We have continually been playing catch up and never actually led the way, which is strange. The Leicester season for me is when we should have won the league. In hindsight it was a shocker why we made such a poor start to the season and had to play catch up. Then we lost to Leicester at home when we were sucker punched by that header. The consistent theme is we ALWAYS fall short under Poch.

My memory of Poch will be a good manager but a nearly man unfortunately. I think someone else could have done an even better job and actually won stuff with this group of players. It’s sad that this cycle has come to an end empty handed. That is Pochs fault largely. The reason we lose these big cup games is mentality and tactical details. Like starting Son at wing back ??‍♂️ conte came in and straight away schooled Poch in a huge game.

And fans should really be concerned about Kane getting itchy feet. City will need a replacement for Aguero soon.

Nothing personal, but this is one of the biggest piles of garbage I have read in a long time. Or, given that this is SC, in at least two days.

The League Cup sf v Chelsea? We were short Kane, Son and Dele for the second leg.

"Never properly led a title charge from the start"? Why should we have? This is the era of Manchester City and their zillions. We have no right to be anywhere near them.

"Should have won the league the year Leicester did"? This is the worst of the lot. A clear case of wisdom after the event.

We shouldn't have won the league the year Leicester did because we weren't remotely good enough! We finished on 70 points! We never led! We were fifth (?) at the halfway stage!

Why was it "a shocker" we started badly? We started badly because it was only Poch's second season and he'd spent the first season sorting out stuff and getting rid of the dross!

Because everyone else fell away or were very poor that season we were the only team who ended up making a chase of it - and then had people like you complaining we didn't do better.

The following season we were waaaay better and finished on 86 points - 16 more than in 2015-16. Yet you say 2015-16 was the one we should have won. Christ.

That the cycle has come to an end and we're emptyhanded "is Poch's fault"? More tosh.

The "consistent theme is that we always fall short under Poch"? God give me strength. The fact that we were consistent challengers is totally down to him. By every metric we have overachieved wildly under him. We should have finished sixth every season if the wage bill - the ultimate metric - is taken into account, or probably seventh in view of Everton's expenditure over the past two seasons. In those circumstances why should we NOT "fall short" under him?

It's rotten that we haven't won anything. At our best we had a terrific team that just happened to come along at the wrong time (particularly in the era of Guardiola's Man City). It occasionally happens in sport.

You're happy to blame Poch for us falling short. I'm happy to laud him for us being so near for so long.
 

yankspurs

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Up until last season:

Net spend Prem clubs over last 10 years.

CITY £1bn
UTD £600m
CHEL £569
LIV £334m
ARS £273m
WHU £223m
EVE £213m
BOU £176m
CRY £174m
LEI 168m
BHA £147m
WOL £142m
FUL £130m
WAT £108m
CAR £91m
BUR £79m
HUD £72m
NEW £60m
SOU £39m
THFC 9m
Levy likes
 

yankspurs

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I am very much in the Poch in camp. People need to remember where we were before he arrived.
If however he does decide to leave then Allegri would be an incredible appointment
Yes Allegri would. Yet he’d leave after 1 window when he asks for Dybala and Levy gets him Clinton N’Jie.
 

Gb160

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@Phomesy I feel I should clarify something, seeing as you've got me playing for the #TeamJose 11

I in no way want Poch sacked, I desperately want him to turn things around, and get us playing the way I know he can.
My defence of Jose stems from the snobbishness and moral superiority complex that a lot posters displayed when his name was mentioned.
I do feel that if Poch wasn't able to fix things and left/was given the tin tack, we should be looking at managers of the calibre of Jose, proven winners that our players would instantly respect, rather than 10 year projects with up and coming managers with no winning pedigree.

And if you were making a list of proven managers with a winning pedigree who were currently available....it would be a pretty short list.
 

PhezTHFC

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For the love of god this mourinho stuff has got to stop. The worst possible choice for us.
i am avidly poch stay. But....
Worse possible choice???? You joking? The guy is a serial winner! Imagine us winning a few trophies he leaves after inheriting and signing some top players we move on and get another manager after winning trophies and being pushed even higher in peoples thoughts...

There is a lot worse out there and i for one if we had to start looking for a manager he would be my first choice closely followed by allegri.
 

yankspurs

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Disagree. I think Eddie Howe would be worse. The message that would send.
Howe would be a terrible choice too but he’s probably the top one. Levy likes someone who will work on a shoestring budget.

Mourinho will be a complete failure here as this team is already mentally weak.
 

dudu

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From memory nearly all our 1st XI were involved in the latter stages of the World Cup

They desperately needed a good rest and some fresh blood brought in

Somehow we had a miraculous start to the following season with a team running on fumes and belief. Again they needed help in that January window but again NOTHING

When the fumes ran out our form bar the odd game (which they saved themselves for) fell off a cliff...

Sure, one or two new players would have helped a bit but I'm not entirely sure it would have made the huge difference you are saying it would have unless you're saying we needed to buy half a team

The fact is, this decline in points we are seeing hasn't just started because we didn't buy any players last year. There was a bigger decline in points total the year before despite us buying a number of players, in both windows.
 

yankspurs

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i am avidly poch stay. But....
Worse possible choice???? You joking? The guy is a serial winner! Imagine us winning a few trophies he leaves after inheriting and signing some top players we move on and get another manager after winning trophies and being pushed even higher in peoples thoughts...

There is a lot worse out there and i for one if we had to start looking for a manager he would be my first choice closely followed by allegri.
He wins things but if you think he’d be a good choice for this team, you havent been paying attention to this team.
 

southlondonyiddo

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i am avidly poch stay. But....
Worse possible choice???? You joking? The guy is a serial winner! Imagine us winning a few trophies he leaves after inheriting and signing some top players we move on and get another manager after winning trophies and being pushed even higher in peoples thoughts...

There is a lot worse out there and i for one if we had to start looking for a manager he would be my first choice closely followed by allegri.

Jose = Trophies
Jose = anti-football

You pays your money, you take your choice
 

freeeki

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Poch has overseen a period of decline which has lasted a year and only appears to be speeding up.

If he's the man to turn that around, what exactly has he been doing for the past 12 months, and where does this blind faith in his ability to do it come from?

If he had the capability, he'd be doing it. He doesn't, and he isn't.
 
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