The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[stevenurse]

Again, I didn't say that. I said players who are intrinsically linked to him. To my knowledge only Hugo has explicitly said that his future is committed to Pochettino.... and its supposition on my part that Lamela is likely the same after the commitment that Poche has shown to him.

My point is about the infrastructure... coaching, physiology, techniques, timetables, dietitians... etc etc etc. The Brave New World book lays out how much this club operates, in terms of supporting the squad, is all established by Pochettino and Perez.

Rather than rejig the team, we'd be completely starting from scratch. Again.

Which is fine, if that's what happens. Just adjust your expectations to suit.

I understand that, and I completely agree that the whole ethos/vision etc throughout the club is based around Poch but years ago it was said that we will play the same way from u6's to the first team etc. I can bet you that the u18's aren't switching formations weekly, or aren't coached to play the same boring shit we're served up regularly now.

As for the coaches, we've barely seen an improvement in our players based on what they're being coached, if anything it's quite the opposite. If you tally those that has progressed or gone backwards, it's a worrying trend.

Physios... Don't get me started.


It feels much like it did before Poch's time. The whole thing feels stale and just like we did when we appointed him, we could do with a refresh (or a painful rebuild)

He's been loyal on his way up, but he'll be acutely aware that just like he was able to sack off anyone he didn't feel was working, the club needs to do the same. Plus, you can be sure that he'd piss off tomorrow if offered the Madrid job.

Love him, wish him the best, but we've broken him and it will sadly be a tale of the nearly man.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I had read thank you very much, and responded accordingly in my post thank you very much.
If you can’t respond accordingly and go ahead off at a tangent when anyone challenges your thoughts, that is your prerogative I suppose, but don’t then go into deflection mode, better to just say nothing.

You quoted this post of mine:

My point is about the infrastructure... coaching, physiology, techniques, timetables, dietitians... etc etc etc. The Brave New World book lays out how much this club operates, in terms of supporting the squad, is all established by Pochettino and Perez.

Rather than rejig the team, we'd be completely starting from scratch. Again.

Which is fine, if that's what happens. Just adjust your expectations to suit.

Which explicity says that my main concern is the change in infrastructure that comes with a management change. Not, that 2 players would leave.

So if you did read all that, then you willfully ignored it.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Where is this instant gratification bollocks coming from as fan's we have been more than patient every year hearing about transition blah blah blah, we have had five decent years under poch in which we should have delivered something but as all too familiar the cycle of under achieving kicks in.
It has been clear for a while that the squad needed upgrading but we went a couple of windows doing nothing and there supporters such as yourself claiming it was right not to buy" we don't need fuck all" they cried.
And yet the manager is claiming he needs another rebuild which your endorsing but how long is that going to take another five years, because football stands still for no one.
If he is claiming a rebuild is needed then why say in past windows that he is happy with his squad because in that case either he or levy or both have been lying and now they are in a mess, so is culpable for these poor business decisions which look to set us back a few seasons.
The next few games will see how it would go because it cannot keep continuing with player's losing confidence game by game.

So you think a new manager like Jose will magically make us win something this season?

 

[Johnny J]

You quoted this post of mine:


Which explicity says that my main concern is the change in infrastructure that comes with a management change. Not, that 2 players would leave.

So if you did read all that, then you willfully ignored it.

Yes, a lot would change if Poch left. But if the alternative is our current dire form and play, and constant drama, then clearly we need a change. It's not impossible. It happens literally every week somewhere in the world.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Yes, a lot would change if Poch left. But if the alternative is our current dire form and play, and constant drama, then clearly we need a change. It's not impossible. It happens literally every week somewhere in the world.

And I also said that's fine, if that's what happens. All I'm saying is that its not going to suddenly make things better, it'll still be a difficult transition period, albeit, in my opinion, one with more uncertainty than the other option.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

Only Spurs fans, a club who has won just one trophy this millennium, would turn their nose up at Jose.
He's won so much he gives his medals away to fans, literally.
Staggering.

He's won more trophies than our club ffs

 

[Johnny J]

And I also said that's fine, if that's what happens. All I'm saying is that its not going to suddenly make things better, it'll still be a difficult transition period, albeit, in my opinion, one with more uncertainty than the other option.

I agree there isn't a quick fix to this.

Where we differ is that I simply can't see Poch getting us playing great football again. I can't see how this can go on much longer.

 

[Trotter]

You quoted this post of mine:


Which explicity says that my main concern is the change in infrastructure that comes with a management change. Not, that 2 players would leave.

So if you did read all that, then you willfully ignored it.

Yes, only quote specific parts of the post of yours I quoted, not actually the part about Lamela and Lloris which you start your post with, and is in the post I quoted.

Absolutely f***ing pathetic, total childish behaviour, and reaffirms that you just deflected the challenge to your thoughts.
Don’t worry, first person I am putting on ignore. What a troll, who cannot back up what he is saying.

 

[SugarRay]

Poch overachieving, raises expectations some can argue. Something else that raises expectations, certainly subconsciously, is the raising of ticket prices to the highest in the game. ‘Plucky little overachieving Tottenham who don’t win trophies’ and ‘most expensive tickets in world football’ don’t really go hand in hand!
Levy talks about becoming a major European club, the training round is the best in the business, the stadium is the best in the business etc
I won’t have it said that we are impatient as a fanbase. How many members? How many on the waiting list? All based on how much success exactly? If the goons, Liverpool, Chelsea and City had won what we have over the past two decades they’d be nowhere near our numbers imo. United are different, they’d sell out on the moon after not winning a trophy for ten years given their support.

As always in the modern world it’s all getting blown out of proportion. Don’t get me wrong, I’m pissed off immensely with some players and with Poch himself to be honest but I also think he can go someway to restoring it to a degree.
Firstly, come out and say he’s only interested in managing us, no more flirting with Real.
Next, Eriksen banished from first team, along with anyone else who’s not fully committed to the cause. We aren’t a charity, and we’ve had plenty come and go for us in our history who were better than Eriksen and co will ever be. Remember the Roger Lloyd-Pack into before games? Remember the names we’ve had at this club and we’ve got the likes of Eriksen swanning around like he’s doing us a favour! Fuck off mate
Next...and this is big...abandon the diamond/any other formation than 4-2-3-1 and play a genuine holding midfielder ( Dier our best bet ) Concentrate on being solid again and results will improve. I love Winks but he might have to just sit it out for a while. Dier and Ndombele has a nice feel to it

I don’t particularly rate Lamela but right now he has to start. He gets it. Kick Son up the arse and put an extra arm around Lucas. These three behind Harry. Not perfect but Lo Celso will hopefully be back soon.
Dele? No idea what to do with him to be honest. If he wasn’t English I suspect we’d listen to offers.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Yes, only quote specific parts of the post of yours I quoted, not actually the part about Lamela and Lloris which you start your post with, and is in the post I quoted.

Absolutely f***ing pathetic,

K, bye.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

I still want to know what he told the players would happen if they won the CL.
Whatever it was seems to be the catalyst for what has gone on ever since then.
Did he promise the players that wanted to leave that they were free to go only if we won the final?

 

[Gassin's finest]

I still want to know what he told the players would happen if they won the CL.
Whatever it was seems to be the catalyst for what has gone on ever since then.
Did he promise the players that wanted to leave that they were free to go only if we won the final?

Its possible. Or something like it.

It felt like the end of a journey in many ways.

 

[felmani26]

And I also said that's fine, if that's what happens. All I'm saying is that its not going to suddenly make things better, it'll still be a difficult transition period, albeit, in my opinion, one with more uncertainty than the other option.

Depends how you quantify a 'difficult transition period' ultimately.

Far from suggesting Chelsea should be held as the paradigm 21st century club to aspire to, they still have amassed 16 trophies (excluding Community Shields) over a period of 15 years with 9 managerial changes.

I for one would gladly welcome that level of return if it meant an upheaval of managers.

 

[Gb160]

He's won more trophies than our club ffs

We're above him though mate, he's 'poison' apparently.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Depends how you quantify a 'difficult transition period' ultimately.

Far from suggesting Chelsea should be held as the paradigm 21st century club to aspire to, they still have amassed 16 trophies (excluding Community Shields) over a period of 15 years with 9 managerial changes.

I for one would gladly welcome that level of return if it meant an upheaval of managers.

A season of limited success while either:

a) Poche rejigs the squad.
b) We change manager.

And Chelsea's barmpot model only worked with limitless Oligarch spending.

 

[Gb160]

Where is this concept of instant gratification and immediate results in football coming from?

Not sure you can call 5 fruitless years instant gratification mate.
The really worrying thing is we look worse than I can remember under his tenure.

 

[Gb160]

There are other many factors at stake.
Playing well, playing attractively, having high aspirations.

Have you watched us recently Jimmy?

 

[shelfboy68]

So you think a new manager like Jose will magically make us win something this season?

I never said that he is a good manager proven winner but doesn't possess a magic wand does he, I think if and it's an if he came in I think he would get us buzzing again

 

[Gassin's finest]

Not sure you can call 5 fruitless years instant gratification mate.
The really worrying thing is we look worse than I can remember under his tenure.

You know I'm not referring to that, but to the idea that a change of manager would somehow lead to us winning something all of sudden. I've already said that this squad should have won things back when we had the chance.

 

[stevenurse]

So you think a new manager like Jose will magically make us win something this season?

No but I'd have my fingers crossed for an away win