The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[shelfboy68]

Again, I didn't say that. I said players who are intrinsically linked to him. To my knowledge only Hugo has explicitly said that his future is committed to Pochettino.... and its supposition on my part that Lamela is likely the same after the commitment that Poche has shown to him.

My point is about the infrastructure... coaching, physiology, techniques, timetables, dietitians... etc etc etc. The Brave New World book lays out how much this club operates, in terms of supporting the squad, is all established by Pochettino and Perez.

Rather than rejig the team, we'd be completely starting from scratch. Again.

Which is fine, if that's what happens. Just adjust your expectations to suit.

What expectations do we need to adjust if as some have suggested a mourinho was to rock up with his reputation as a serial winner would that be hard to adjust to?

 

[spursfan77]

Ben Davies has come out and apologised today. Nothing from Poch last night though was there

 

[BigVic]

He needs to stop playing the fucking diamond!

 

[shelfboy68]

He needs to stop playing the fucking diamond!

Perhaps he should play the Joker or knave of hearts what do you think.

 

[Trotter]

Again, I didn't say that. I said players who are intrinsically linked to him. To my knowledge only Hugo has explicitly said that his future is committed to Pochettino.... and its supposition on my part that Lamela is likely the same after the commitment that Poche has shown to him.

My point is about the infrastructure... coaching, physiology, techniques, timetables, dietitians... etc etc etc. The Brave New World book lays out how much this club operates, in terms of supporting the squad, is all established by Pochettino and Perez.

Rather than rejig the team, we'd be completely starting from scratch. Again.

Which is fine, if that's what happens. Just adjust your expectations to suit.

If losing Lamela (a player that only looks decent in comparison to others at times we are not performing well, and if we are playing well would not get near starting team, and I am sure club would have sold if we could have), and a goalkeeper that is easily replaceable are your major concerns, then that is not an issue at all in grand scheme of things.

Losing a lot of much better players than those 2 just because Poch is here, but those players would stay and perform if he isn’t, is the question that needs to be asked and answered.
I want Poch here, but if he needs to get rid of 6 or more players and go on another 5 year road to no success project versus a manager that could come in, lose a couple, motivate what we have and win things, then it is the latter for me.

 

[markdadude]

funny how the timing of Demebele's body giving up before eventually being sold correlates very closely with Spurs' decline.

Whenever we were stuck in repetitive and meaningless U shaped passing he would step up, take ownership of the situation, and get us out of the rut, reminding everyone on the pitch how to make the transition from defence to the final third (he had many other brilliant qualities as well - e.g. off the ball play)

We still play with high ball possession but its so blunt and ineffective its excruciating, and its too bad that our summer signings have yet to help address this in any way.

You can lay blame on Poch if he can no longer motivate the players because he's lost their respect, but there is blatant squad issue too IMO.

 

[Gassin's finest]

What expectations do we need to adjust if as some have suggested a mourinho was to rock up with his reputation as a serial winner would that be hard to adjust to?

That he, or anyone else, will come in with an entirely different setup, and that it would take time for it take hold?

That the same disaffected and want-away players are still there?

That, quite reasonably, you would expect it to be until the new manager had a full pre-season before seeing any potential success?

Where is this concept of instant gratification and immediate results in football coming from? There's no realism in it. Its not like we'd bring Jose in and drop 1/4 of a billion in his lap is it? You're still writing the season off to allow a new coach to put his ethos in place. And call me crazy, but I'd rather give that season to a man who has proven himself to be able to build excellent football teams, and let him build Spurs 6.0 as he put it, than take a very expensive and risky punt on a man who has won a lot when armed with limitless funding.

 

[Gassin's finest]

If losing Lamela (a player that only looks decent in comparison to others at times we are not performing well, and if we are playing well would not get near starting team, and I am sure club would have sold if we could have), and a goalkeeper that is easily replaceable are your major concerns, then that is not an issue at all in grand scheme of things.

Losing a lot of much better players than those 2 just because Poch is here, but those players would stay if he isn’t, is the question that needs to be asked and answered.
I want Poch here, but if he needs to get rid of 6 or more players and go on another 5 year road to no success project versus a manager that could come in, lose a couple, motivate what we have and win things, then it is the latter for me.

Are you even reading the entire post?

That he, or anyone else, will come in with an entirely different setup, and that it would take time for it take hold?

That the same disaffected and want-away players are still there?

That, quite reasonably, you would expect it to be until the new manager had a full pre-season before seeing any potential success?

Where is this concept of instant gratification and immediate results in football coming from? There's no realism in it. Its not like we'd bring Jose in and drop 1/4 of a billion in his lap is it? You're still writing the season off to allow a new coach to put his ethos in place. And call me crazy, but I'd rather give that season to a man who has proven himself to be able to build excellent football teams, and let him build Spurs 6.0 as he put it, than take a very expensive and risky punt on a man who has won a lot when armed with limitless funding.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

To Colchester?

Roberts was criticizing Poch too, win the game 1st with your best 11 then rest them when 3-0 up, which i agree with, but overall he’s done great for us, in spite of some idiocracies

 

[danielneeds]

News just in. Poch has decided to make some big changes at the training ground...

 

[Trotter]

Are you even reading the entire post?

By entire post, what you mean is “have you read a totally different post to the one You are responding to”
Is there a bang your head against a brick wall emoji I can use, as would have responded in those terms.

 

[Gb160]

By entire post, what you mean is “have you read read a totally different post to the one You are responding to”
Is there a bang your head against a brick wall emoji I can use, as would have responded in those terms.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Haven’t read the ‘players are linked to Poch’ chat but unless something has changed in the last six months, I have it on good authority that two of our England contingent are very much Poch men.

 

[Trees]

Eriksen doesn’t want to be here. Bite the bullet. Don’t play him.

Do Alder and Verts want to be here ? Their form has not been great. Our rock solid defence not so solid any more.

Alli playing like a tosser. Drop him.

Lucas creates more problems that he solves.

Perfect storm at the moment. Are we sure there are not some cliques in the squad at the moment ?

 

[Gassin's finest]

By entire post, what you mean is “have you read a totally different post to the one You are responding to”
Is there a bang your head against a brick wall emoji I can use, as would have responded in those terms.

Indeed there is.

If you can't follow the flow of the thread and conversation then please proceed.

 

[cjsimba]

Come on man he has flirted with pissing off on a regular basis

I don't disagree, just struggling to remember specific examples! My memory's not what it was...

 

[Trotter]

Indeed there is.

If you can't follow the flow of the thread and conversation then please proceed.

I had read thank you very much, and responded accordingly in my post thank you very much.
If you can’t respond accordingly and go ahead off at a tangent when anyone challenges your thoughts, that is your prerogative I suppose, but don’t then go into deflection mode, better to just say nothing.

 

[JimmyG2]

My comments were in the context of winning/ not winning specifically trophies.
There are other many factors at stake.
Playing well, playing attractively, having high aspirations.

Actually I agree with notion
that doing these things brings success,
not necessarily trophies.

I would add playing 'ethically'
no diving, no proffessional fouls,
no appealing for everything, crowding the ref
and winning the fair play trophy every year.

But that's just me.

Pochettino has brought dignity
to the managerial role.
and some success to Spurs.
I hope he stays.

 

[shelfboy68]

That he, or anyone else, will come in with an entirely different setup, and that it would take time for it take hold?

That the same disaffected and want-away players are still there?

That, quite reasonably, you would expect it to be until the new manager had a full pre-season before seeing any potential success?

Where is this concept of instant gratification and immediate results in football coming from? There's no realism in it. Its not like we'd bring Jose in and drop 1/4 of a billion in his lap is it? You're still writing the season off to allow a new coach to put his ethos in place. And call me crazy, but I'd rather give that season to a man who has proven himself to be able to build excellent football teams, and let him build Spurs 6.0 as he put it, than take a very expensive and risky punt on a man who has won a lot when armed with limitless funding.

Where is this instant gratification bollocks coming from as fan's we have been more than patient every year hearing about transition blah blah blah, we have had five decent years under poch in which we should have delivered something but as all too familiar the cycle of under achieving kicks in.
It has been clear for a while that the squad needed upgrading but we went a couple of windows doing nothing and the supporters such as yourself claiming it was right not to buy" we don't need fuck all" they cried.
And yet the manager is claiming he needs another rebuild which your endorsing but how long is that going to take another five years, because football stands still for no one.
If he is claiming a rebuild is needed then why say in past windows that he is happy with his squad because in that case either he or levy or both have been lying and now they are in a mess, so who is culpable for these poor business decisions which look to set us back a few seasons.
The next few games will see how it would go because it cannot keep continuing with player's losing confidence game by game.

 

[bubble07]

I was all for no trophies if it meant playing well....