The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[McFlash]

This is all quite amusing (in places) but....... I seem to recall the idea was that we would go into the new stadium in a position to compete.

For the top 4.

Not the PL itself. Now, I appreciate objectives move in line with progress, but maybe it's us (well, you lot. Yes, it's definitely you lot) that need to adjust expectations a little bit?

* runs away. Hides.

We've got into the new stadium and look less competitive than we have in years!
Should we be adjusting to expect a decline, or an improvement?

 

[wrd]

We've got into the new stadium and look less competitive than we have in years!
Should we be adjusting to expect a decline, or an improvement?

I don't think it can be an excuse for how we're playing and especially some of the tactical decisions being made but the notion of needing a season to bed in at a new stadium went out the fucking window quickly didn't it after a few games at the back end of last season.

 

[The Doc]

We've got into the new stadium and look less competitive than we have in years!
Should we be adjusting to expect a decline, or an improvement?

Nope. I think it's reasonable to expect us to be challenging for, and obtaining, a place in the top 4. Now. I didn't think that when we were at WHL or Wembley. You can downplay or be blase about what has gone before by all means, but what he and the players achieved is not normal. Again, opinion.

 

[Gb160]

We've got into the new stadium and look less competitive than we have in years!
Should we be adjusting to expect a decline, or an improvement?

The sooner you start expecting 1 away league win in 9 months the better Flash.

 

[Lighty64]

Yes agree obviously I got further back with spurs due to being an old git.

your a pup by 4 years

 

[shelfboy68]

your a pup by 4 years

I am not much in it though

 

[McFlash]

I don't think it can be an excuse for how we're playing and especially some of the tactical decisions being made but the notion of needing a season to bed in at a new stadium went out the fucking window quickly didn't it after a few games at the back end of last season.

Yeah but it felt like such a proper 'move back home', as opposed to moving into a new stadium. I'll be honest, it hadn't even crossed my mind that we'd need to bed in, after a season at Wembley.

 

[wrd]

Yeah but it felt like such a proper 'move back home', as opposed to moving into a new stadium. I'll be honest, it hadn't even crossed my mind that we'd need to bed in, after a season at Wembley.

Yeah I mean I'm just looking at other teams most notably Arsenal and West ham who relatively speaking struggled in their first seasons in their new homes. Obviously there's bigger issues than the stadium move being touted but at the same time I find it extremely unrealistic that we'd compete with the standard of City and Liverpool as some have suggested is where we should be when it's our first full season in our new home. However I do expect us to comfortably be the 3rd placed team and hoped after a reasonable first half of the season under our belts that we'd be well placed to attack the 3 cup competitions.

 

[McFlash]

Nope. I think it's reasonable to expect us to be challenging for, and obtaining, a place in the top 4. Now. I didn't think that when we were at WHL or Wembley. You can downplay or be blase about what has gone before by all means, but what he and the players achieved is not normal. Again, opinion.

But we were on an upward curve, since the Arry days, and top 4 has been ours for a while now. We should now be pushing on, with more investment etc.
For the seasons at Wembley, I was more than happy with top four but now I want to improve again, not go backwards.
I wasn't expecting a title challenge this year but I was expecting us to improve, especially upon the performances at the latter part of last season.

 

[McFlash]

Yeah I mean I'm just looking at other teams most notably Arsenal and West ham who relatively speaking struggled in their first seasons in their new homes. Obviously there's bigger issues than the stadium move being touted but at the same time I find it extremely unrealistic that we'd compete with the standard of City and Liverpool as some have suggested is where we should be when it's our first full season in our new home. However I do expect us to comfortably be the 3rd placed team and hoped after a reasonable first half of the season under our belts that we'd be well placed to attack the 3 cup competitions.

Exactly. I didn't expect a proper title challenge, unless luck came into it but I expected us to be closer to 2nd than 4th.
That's looking some distance away at present.

 

[shelfboy68]

Yeah I mean I'm just looking at other teams most notably Arsenal and West ham who relatively speaking struggled in their first seasons in their new homes. Obviously there's bigger issues than the stadium move being touted but at the same time I find it extremely unrealistic that we'd compete with the standard of City and Liverpool as some have suggested is where we should be when it's our first full season in our new home. However I do expect us to comfortably be the 3rd placed team and hoped after a reasonable first half of the season under our belts that we'd be well placed to attack the 3 cup competitions.

Doesn't look like that is going to happen at the moment any of it.

 

[wrd]

Doesn't look like that is going to happen at the moment any of it.

It's still early doors yet, I'm not going to pretend everything is fine and that mistakes aren't being made but at the end of it all, we're meant to be supporters, I don't know when we felt we were entitled to win things but even if they haven't yet we're meant to be supporters and get behind the team. It's foolish to believe that this was going to be anything other than a transitional season but we need to have some faith that once a few things are bedded in that we will turn it around and hopefully go again especially in the champions league.

We can't rule out the idea that we can win things this year even if the league is all but impossible.

 

[Lighty64]

Exactly. It’s problematic right now because even though we’ve had such a terrible run of away results (and results generally) since the turn of the year, we also have the possibility that this has been addressed and that perhaps what happened at Leicester was actually an outlier, rather than indication of a continuation of that terrible form. Each possibility suggests different situations. Until we have more info, we’re very much still in the dark.

the thing is those away games since January, we have played

City 3 times in all comps
Chelsea 2 times in all comps
Liverpool
Arsenal
Burnley
Southampton
Bournemouth
Leicester

yes we would hope to beat Burnley but we went 1-0 down to a corner that should have been a goal kick. Southampton we should have been out of site by halftime, their winner was scored from a freekick taken 4-5 yards closer than the offence. Bournemoth we had 9 men for a good amount, Leicester I thought we played well, but shit happens when your playing any team let alone a half decent 1

 

[Lighty64]

It was a toss up between that gif, or this meme...

Im calling Lighty 'Chemical Lighty' from now on.

I'll ask if they will let me change it

 

[shelfboy68]

It's still early doors yet, I'm not going to pretend everything is fine and that mistakes aren't being made but at the end of it all, we're meant to be supporters, I don't know when we felt we were entitled to win things but even if they haven't yet we're meant to be supporters and get behind the team. It's foolish to believe that this was going to be anything other than a transitional season but we need to have some faith that once a few things are bedded in that we will turn it around and hopefully go again especially in the champions league.

We can't rule out the idea that we can win things this year even if the league is all but impossible.

I'm not sure of what it is you consider bedding in apart from ndombele the rest of the squad that has been playing has been here for a while so I don't understand this excuse you sound like lighty64,
This is pochs 6th year in charge and I don't think it is unreasonable to have won something by now he has had the chances, but then playing son at left back in a semi final kind of fucks that idea up.
The team needs to sort itself out and fast as we continue to football's laughing stock the club that threatens to deliver but never does should be our motto.

 

[Lighty64]

He should have the rest of the season to figure it out....... but 4 wins from 16 league games (is it 16 now?) is genuine crisis form for a squad of our quality.

We have literally been in relegation form for almost half a season now, and it doesn't look to be getting any better.

in the league, we have 25 wins, 4 draws, and 15 loses in our last 44

 

[Gassin's finest]

I like your post and your point.
But I feel like he's burning through his credit pretty quickly at the mo.

5 years of constant progression, culminating in a CL final, and after a crotchety couple of months he's losing credit?

Nah. He gets a season to sort his new team out.

 

[shelfboy68]

in the league, we have 25 wins, 4 draws, and 15 loses in our last 44

Pretty dire reading

 

[wrd]

I'm not sure of what it is you consider bedding in apart from ndombele the rest of the squad that has been playing has been here for a while so I don't understand this excuse you sound like lighty64,
This is pochs 6th year in charge and I don't think it is unreasonable to have won something by now he has had the chances, but then playing son at left back in a semi final kind of fucks that idea up.
The team needs to sort itself out and fast as we continue to football's laughing stock the club that threatens to deliver but never does should be our motto.

It's our first full season in our new stadium, was you seriously not expecting a transitional period when we finally moved into our new home?

I agree that we should have won some trophies by now, that F.A cup as you said, league cup last season we should have got to the final and the Champions League performance was hugely disappointing. Tactical mistakes were made in all 3 no doubt about that, however that doesn't justify the entitlement that our fans have that we are somehow owed trophies, we aren't.

Also the idea that we are footballs laughing stock? do me a favour, we're one of the most respected clubs in the world for where we've got to and the way we've done it. Sounds to me like you care too much what the likes of people who watch ArsenalFanTv and the likes of Chelsea/Arsenal fans think rather than the reality. We are so far from fucking being footballs laughing stock, it's criminal you think of your club that way.

 

[Lighty64]

Careful mate or Chemical Lighty will attack you for being a knee jerky bedwetter.
One bad result apparently.

THIS SEASON

3 of those 6 at the back end of last season was away to the 3 teams that finished above us. we do need to be able to beat them, but not many teams beat Man C, Liverpool or Chelsea at their grounds last season