The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[stormfly]

Does Poch want us anymore? I’m really not sure he does. I’m still romanticising about the Poch from 3 years ago that had fire in his belly, a smile on his face and implemented a pressing game to a talented group of youngsters that made us title contenders. I’m not seeing that Poch anymore and it breaks my heart.

This Poch is grumpy, changes game plans like the wind, threatens to leave us every 5 minutes and just doesn’t seem that in to us anymore. Where do we honestly go from here? I can’t see us being close to a title race and at the moment it looks like we could be falling out of the top 4 if things don’t change dramatically.

When the rumours came up about him going to Man Utd before Ole come in I was really worried and thought we would fall apart without him. The sad thing is we’re slowly falling apart with him. It’s the look of a partner in an unhappy marriage but is staying together for the kids sake while the other partner hopes they will magically fall in love with them again by buying a few flowers.

He might actually think he does still love us but I fear it’s more out of habit than actual love.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Not even comparable.

I wasn't comparing them. Just responding and pointing out that even Klopp does leave the door even slightly ajar for the future. In the original post it suggests he shoots down that sort of talk which he didn't. That's all.

I would imagine this goes for most managers. I also think the media are massively to play with Pochs supposed discontent. It's widely regarded by most, in the media at least, that Poch has over achieved for years and Levy has not helped at all. And he has been battling his mega tight transfer budget along with a constant top four challenge. Thusly they look for ever single tiny sign that Poch is unhappy or wants to leave and blow it way out of proportion because it's a good story and hey, how could anyone be happy working for Levy. Now this doesn't mean he doesn't want to leave now. But I'm sure it started when it was the last thing on his mind. And one might say he shouldn't talk like this. But maybe he always did but it wasn't highlighted as much as it is now. Ether way I don't think it's all so black and white and I don't think we should be jumping on his back as much as some are. Not yet at any rate.

 

[spursfan77]

Once you lose the fans and the players there’s only one way it’s going to go.

 

[Gb160]

if they weren't a priority he wouldn't try and get as far. I wished I could find the interview where he said, the 2 domestic cups won't take us to the next level compared to the PL or CL. if we won 1 of the domestic cups this season and finished 5th or 6th do you really think that if the players who want to leave for success will extend their contracts or think hmmm CL football get a bigger bonus playing in that

Not sure im really following you lighty...do you honestly believe they're a priority for Poch?
If so we'll have to agree to disagree, because im not having that.

 

[nasescoba1985]

Klopp did say he wouldn't know what would happen in the next two or three years. He didn't say he would be managing Liverpool for the foreseeable future. So yes, he did throw his future into doubt this summer gone.

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The polar opposite. Klopp is just saying beyond his contract, he said obviously can’t guarantee he will be there. Pochettino is openly doing a Redknapp with England and flirting directly with Real Madrid. It’s so easy to just say “ sorry I have a contract with Spurs and I refuse to talk of other clubs” , but Poch constantly adds fuel to the fire knowing full well it will cause a big stir. I’m such a huge Poch fan, but I’m honestly sick to death of him and the way this club are so allergic to winning trophies. I just want a manager that wants to be here. Time for a change for me boys, the Poch project has well and truly run its course unfortunately

 

[leray]

Poch is probably trolling the media knowing that they will pick anything up, but ffs, he's managing in the Prem, there are some media trainings, can't the club control what he says?

But, if he's not and he's basically off and we're waiting for the season to end to get Allegri, Ancelotti or *checks notes* Howe *rolls eyes*, then for a short term, if things get worse, Marcelino from Valencia might do the job. Good tactician, focus on defence, will do the job and get the results.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Akr

The polar opposite. Klopp is just saying beyond his contract, he said obviously can’t guarantee he will be there. Pochettino is openly doing a Redknapp with England and flirting directly with Real Madrid. It’s so easy to just say “ sorry I have a contract with Spurs and I refuse to talk of other clubs” , but Poch constantly adds fuel to the fire knowing full well it will cause a big stir. I’m such a huge Poch fan, but I’m honestly sick to death of him and the way this club are so allergic to winning trophies. I just want a manager that wants to be here. Time for a change for me boys, the Poch project has well and truly run its course unfortunately

Already responded to this above mate. I wasn't comparing them just talking about Klopp. And whether his contact runs out in two or three years or it doesn't. He doesn't need to say he doesn't know. It still got a headline out if his uncertainty. I know a number of Liverpool fans who all freaked out about it.

 

[Lighty64]

Right on cue. Really wish he'd stop saying this kinda shit - Redknapp didn't get away with it for long.

so what was Poch asked?

"if I go coach", isn't exactly the same as "if they offer it, I will go coach Madrid"

 

[Lighty64]

Not sure im really following you lighty...do you honestly believe they're a priority for Poch?
If so we'll have to agree to disagree, because im not having that.

every game is a priority but in Poch's statement all he said was what will take the club to the next level

 

[Gb160]

so what was Poch asked?

"if I go coach", isn't exactly the same as "if they offer it, I will go coach Madrid"

 

[Lighty64]

if you don't think he priorities them, why knowing we had all those players that could do with a rest during a midweek away to Watford, West Ham, Arsenal, and Chelsea, and carrying injuries we couldn't afford to pick up any more, play strong teams. why not just go with a few U23's and fringe players?

when it comes to Palace away in the FA Cup, he had to because we were knackered. if they are not important to him, it's the perfect opportunity to rest the lot. Tomorrow we will see a lot of players rested, with some on the bench, last time we played them in the FA Cup a few years back he put a really strong team out

 

[Trotter]

Personally I think Poch is still very much an in demand manager, however I believe Levy would until this season have put a very healthy fee on his services, Basically not entertaining any approach, but now I really think if Madrid come calling that fee would be reduced significantly, and we would take the money.
Cannot see anything happening in the short term, whilst that prospect still looms, and the delta between receiving a very healthy fee for him and his assistants services against a massive payout for them all, will defer any decision.

Now here’s hoping things turn around, and all this is irrelevant anyway, but things don’t feel right. I certainly wouldn’t be putting any money on him being our manager at start of next season.

 

[Trotter]

It would cost Real Madrid €80m if they wanted to sack Zinedine Zidane

El francés firmó en The French coach signed a three-and-a-half-year contract in March and, as such, it would be costly to sack him this soon into his deal

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This is what I read, clearly rushed it didnt I

That’s not a release clause though, that is paying off his contract, which would never be paid in full anyway, as compromise agreements always come in to play.
It is the terminology you used that Johnny will have been questioning, release clauses relate to how much another team would have to pay for his services.

 

[Primativ]

Personally I think Poch is still very much an in demand manager, however I believe Levy would until this season have put a very healthy fee on his services, Basically not entertaining any approach, but now I really think if Madrid come calling that fee would be reduced significantly, and we would take the money.
Cannot see anything happening in the short term, whilst that prospect still looms, and the delta between receiving a Rey healthy fee for him and his assistants services against a massive payout for them all, will defer any decision.

Agree. Levy won’t sack him yet as he will have to pay a fortune, and especially when he could be getting a big fee if another club like Madrid came in for him. That’s a ridiculously big swing in money terms. Levy will sit tight and expect Poch to improve and get us back into the top 3 but for the first time I genuinely think this is Pochs last season and I have to say again for the first time ever, I’m fine with that.

The only way Levy pulls the trigger is if we are well off the pace by December.

 

[MassadaTom]

God almighty!
He said more less:
q "will you couch Real"
Pooch "will I ever coach Real? Maybe, one day,"
You tend to forget that Google translate looses nuances.

 

[Bulletspur]

not bring Kane on when 6-0 up away to Tranmere

Bringing on Kane at that time had nothing whatsoever to do whether or not we took the cup seriously or not. It was all a PR exercise for Tranmere's benefit.

 

[Lighty64]

Bringing on Kane at that time had nothing whatsoever to do whether or not we took the cup seriously or not. It was all a PR exercise for Tranmere's benefit.

with our injury issues, I wouldn't give a shit about PR exercises. if he didn't give the competition any form of priority he wouldn't even have Kane on the bench.

 

[Lighty64]

The polar opposite. Klopp is just saying beyond his contract, he said obviously can’t guarantee he will be there. Pochettino is openly doing a Redknapp with England and flirting directly with Real Madrid. It’s so easy to just say “ sorry I have a contract with Spurs and I refuse to talk of other clubs” , but Poch constantly adds fuel to the fire knowing full well it will cause a big stir. I’m such a huge Poch fan, but I’m honestly sick to death of him and the way this club are so allergic to winning trophies. I just want a manager that wants to be here. Time for a change for me boys, the Poch project has well and truly run its course unfortunately

and all Poch said is he might 1-day coach Madrid. did he state he wants too? in that 1 little clip, were it doesn't have the full question asked

 

[Gb160]

God almighty!
He said more less:
q "will you couch Real"
Pooch "will I ever coach Real? Maybe, one day,"
You tend to forget that Google translate looses nuances.

Might have escaped your attention that he's not doing particularly well at the job we're paying him a fuck tonne of money to do....flirting with other clubs while on a shocking run of form is hardly going to go down well now is it?

 

[Lighty64]

Might have escaped your attention that he's not doing particularly well at the job we're paying him a fuck tonne of money to do....flirting with other clubs while on a shocking run of form is hardly going to go down well now is it?

1 disastrous result Newcastle FFS!