The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[C0YS]

I never said we were, but if Joe Lewis suddenly writes us a cheque for hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad then we would be.

I agree, but I don't think anyone is arguing for us to overhaul the squad. Even if we were to invest £100m in jan we would still be safely within FFP limits. Our profit before trasfers for 2017-2018 was £163m , most of that has gone into the stadium, but we have plenty we could invest without risking FFP.

 

[Mark_147]

I don't think Poch will go to United this summer and there are plenty of people in this thread who don't think he is either.

What you're doing here, and what many other fans do all over the Internet is equate the possibility of success with the ability to spend money on players and then stop the argument there. It's over-simplistic in my view.

What I'm saying is that "acting like a big club" entails more than that, and the only thing that us fans can control is our outlook towards the world of football at the moment. As a Spurs fan, if you condemn yourself to the belief that Poch will leave because United spend more money than us then you aren't acting like the fan of a big club.

Remember spending power is not everything. United have needed a solid CB pairing for a while now. They've spent £60m on Bailly and Lindelof - presumably at Mourinho's behest - but that didn't work for them. Before that was £35m on Rojo and Blind but that didn't work either. Last summer they came after Alderweireld but they couldn't get it done.

United are a "bigger" club than Spurs and will be for at least 20 years to come I reckon. But that doesn't mean we are going to get bent over and dictated to any more. The gap between the clubs has reduced dramatically since the Carrick/Berbatov days. We successfully told United to piss off in the summer. We got Kane and Poch on lucrative, long-term contracts despite all the media interest from Spain. I would say that the club have started acting like a big club and I wish more of our fans started acting that way as well.

I can dream right!?

Your absolutely right mate! Despite their interest in Modric, Bale, Rose, walker, Dier, Kane and Alderweireld they haven't signed a player from us in 10 years which is no coincidence.

 

[C0YS]

How much do you think the kind of players people want will cost? That'll be hundreds of millions of pounds. Given we make something like 30-40m profit each year, and you're only allowed to make up to a 5m loss, writing a cheque would put us in jeopardy of breaking FFP regulations.

Well no, that's profit after debt repayments on borrowing, wembley and player spending, bonuses etc. But with wages included its much much higher. Namely,

profit from operations before football trading, depreciation, interest, tax and exceptional items of £163m for the year to 30 June, 2018.

. Similarly FFP, looks at three year periods.

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2018/october/club-statement-new-stadium-and-financial-update/

 

[Indisguise]

How much do you think the kind of players people want will cost? That'll be hundreds of millions of pounds. Given we make something like 30-40m profit each year, and you're only allowed to make up to a 5m loss, writing a cheque would put us in jeopardy of breaking FFP regulations.

I haven't seen a single poster advocate spending hundreds of millions. We should do what we always do and buy good young talent but since we appear to have given up doing that as well how on earth are we supposed to continue improving the team whilst retaining our manager?

 

[Kilkenny Cat]

Line in the Telegraph today about how Spurs may look for investment in January as a means of helping persuading Pochettino to stay. Can anyone explain how this might work, given that we already have a wealthy owner?

 

['O Zio]

I agree, but I don't think anyone is arguing for us to overhaul the squad. Even if we were to invest £100m in jan we would still be safely within FFP limits. Our profit before trasfers for 2017-2018 was £163m , most of that has gone into the stadium, but we have plenty we could invest without risking FFP.

Not sure where you've got that profit figure from mate. First of all the 17-18 results haven't been published yet, and assuming you mean the 16-26 ones even our own website lists it as 41m

 

[sherbornespurs]

No one says no to Manchester United.

Apart from Alan Shearer and Paul Gascoigne of course.

 

['O Zio]

I haven't seen a single poster advocate spending hundreds of millions. We should do what we always do and buy good young talent but since we appear to have given up doing that as well how on earth are we supposed to continue improving the team whilst retaining our manager?

I don't understand what your point is at all, sorry mate, you originally said Lewis needs to inject cash into the club so that we can go out and buy in January, I was then saying it's not as simple as that due to FFP regulations. If you're just talking about buying young talent on the cheap etc. then we don't need a "cash injection" from Lewis in the first place. When people are talking about how we need to back Poch, I'm pretty sure they're talking about us buying top players not young prospects for the future.

 

[allatsea]

No one says no to Manchester United.

That is just wrong. The very best players no longer go to Man United. They are now having to grossly overpay to bring in lesser players. Bale said no to them and joined Spurs. Gazza said no to them and joined Spurs. Ronaldo said no to them and went to Juve. etc etc

 

[Indisguise]

I don't understand what your point is at all, sorry mate, you originally said Lewis needs to inject cash into the club so that we can go out and buy in January, I was then saying it's not as simple as that due to FFP regulations. If you're just talking about buying young talent on the cheap etc. then we don't need a "cash injection" from Lewis in the first place. When people are talking about how we need to back Poch, I'm pretty sure they're talking about us buying top players not young prospects for the future.

My point is we need to buy players and if every other club in the League can manage it so can we. As has already been pointed out there are ways and means of doing so.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

No one says no to Manchester United.

Don't you do your research?

 

['O Zio]

My point is we need to buy players and if every other club in the League can manage it so can we. As has already been pointed out there are ways and means of doing so.

Yes there are ways and means of doing it, but like I say asking Lewis to write a big cheque and just writing off FFP as a joke isn't the way to go about it.

 

[Indisguise]

Yes there are ways and means of doing it, but like I say asking Lewis to write a big cheque and just writing off FFP as a joke isn't the way to go about it.

Mate, we don't need to worry about FFP and Lewis can inject money into the Club with falling foul of FFP rules.

 

[C0YS]

Not sure where you've got that profit figure from mate. First of all the 17-18 results haven't been published yet, and assuming you mean the 16-26 ones even our own website lists it as 41m

Look the 41m comes after spending on development costs not counted in FFP. Our spending power is much higher than the 41m operating profit.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Don't you do your research?

Nah, I'm too busy making baseless claims on my digital soapbox, imagine if I had the nation listening in, I'd be fucking minted.

 

[tommyt]

I never said we were, but if Joe Lewis suddenly writes us a cheque for hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad then we would be.

£150,000,000 cheque gathering dust in Levy's office...

My point is we need to buy players and if every other club in the League can manage it so can we. As has already been pointed out there are ways and means of doing so.

But they have to be players that Poch wants and apparently they were not available.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Was thinking last night why Poch went from pretty low in September to seemingly berry berry happy of late.

I think the way our season has gone, despite pretty awful preparations (transfers, WC fatigue and injuries) has instilled even more faith in him at the quality of squad he has. To be going strong on 4 fronts despite all of that, adding in the excitement of the new stadium and the possibilities it brings may well have removed any imaginary glass ceiling he may have been contemplating back then.

We are very close to achieving big things, and he knows it.

 

[McArchibald]

Like I said, you need to "launder" it through the system somehow, whether that be through what you've suggested or otherwise, although I suspect that what you're suggesting is not allowed under FFP regulations. What I'm disagreeing with is that it's as simple as Levy asking Lewis to write him a big cheque like the post I was responding to was suggesting.

Why would that not be allowed? Humour me with specifics... Too easy to just dismiss it like that.
It's not as if the asset side of the balance sheet hasn't grown, with all the property development going on...

 

[Spurrific]

His social media conduct is an embarrassment, maybe he's ae nice person in real life and obviously he a a club legend but he chats a load of nonsense on Twitter and needs to learn to conduct himself a bit better.

Did you see him recently saying he was going to find a fan that tweeted some nonsense at him and bash him up? The assertion was something like "I'll see you at the ground real soon MATE. You're in for a world of pain." Then he said he would never ever apologise for the threats. Then he apologised after the club probably got wind.

 

[Mate]

Apart from Alan Shearer and Paul Gascoigne of course.

Even Alan Smith turned them down in favour of Arsenal!