The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Indisguise]

You're not allowed to just put money into the club willy nilly any more due to FFP. You have to go through all sorts of accounting wizardry like City have been doing.

FFP regs? Hahaha! PSG. Neymar. Mbappe. Joke.

 

[dagraham]

You're not allowed to just put money into the club willy nilly any more due to FFP. You have to go through all sorts of accounting wizardry like City have been doing.

You can for capital projects ( such as the stadium build) I believe. Which means that the considerable TV revenue we have been receiving which we are clearly using to help fund the stadium could be partly redirected towards investment in the team with ENIC making up any short fall.

Not that I’m suggesting Joe Lewis pays for the whole stadium himself.

 

['O Zio]

FFP regs? Hahaha! PSG. Neymar. Mbappe. Joke.

Which they're currently under investigation for. And besides, they didn't just openly write a cheque from the owner, Lewis can't do that. Like I say you have to launder it throguh the system somehow, it isn't just a case of Lewis getting his chequebook out.

 

[Indisguise]

Which they're currently under investigation for. And besides, they didn't just openly write a cheque from the owner, Lewis can't do that. Like I say you have to launder it throguh the system somehow, it isn't just a case of Lewis getting his chequebook out.

Clubs that are rich enough don't give a toss about FPP regs. They pay the fine (if they get one) and do it anyway. It's irrelevant because we don't spend any money on transfers.

 

[spursrayray]

Levy has to get Lewis to inject some cash into the Club because I really don't like the reports of Poch turning his pockets out and saying "I don't have money" in response to questions about the January transfer window. I think Poch is seriously considering his options right now and who can blame him.

Agree. If we don't get a significant investment Poch won't have any sort of budget this summer and most likely we will need to sell one of our star names to balance the books with the stadium cost. He probably feels he has taken this spurs team as far as he can, he has done an incredible job with the budget he had and mentioned numerous times of late that he doesn't have the sort of money to compete with the elite for spurs to be considered title contenders.

Say what you want about UTD but they are a bigger club and he will get the transfer budget he needs to compete with the very best. People who are thinking that he won't go because he likes to build and that UTD are expecting immediate success is just bull... He will have time to build, Mourinho lost his job not because he wasn't an immediate success but because he lost the dressing room and he did a disaster in the transfer market:
80M in the last transfer window on 3 defenders none even make X11
52M for Fred who doesn't make X11
Sanches on a ridiculous wage don't make X11
90M Pogba who don't make X11

He then tells the press that he's not getting what he wants in the market... I wonder why? UTD lost trust in him and rightly so If poch or any top manager wasted that amount and not even 1 of them makes X11 he would deserve to go too.

Leevy is also a guy whos always looking at who can be next and Eddie Howe is the obvious choice, hes most likely thinking about how much he can demand for Poch rather than how he can persuade him to stay. I really hope a potential investor sees the current state of spurs atm and the potential with the current squad and pumps cash into us to take us forward with Poch and the backing in the market we can grab that title!

But honestly, I can really see Poch leaving after this season.... with Eddie Howe as the replacement.

 

['O Zio]

Clubs that are rich enough don't give a toss about FPP regs. They pay the fine (if they get one) and do it anyway. It's irrelevant because we don't spend any money on transfers.

But when you say "clubs that are rich enough" there's only 2 clubs that do that, City and PSG, who like I say are currently under investigation for their breaches. We are not one of those "rich enough to get away with it" clubs regardless of whether Lewis puts money in or not so I'm not really sure what your point is.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Agree. If we don't get a significant investment Poch won't have any sort of budget this summer and most likely we will need to sell one of our star names to balance the books with the stadium cost. He probably feels he has taken this spurs team as far as he can, he has done an incredible job with the budget he had and mentioned numerous times of late that he doesn't have the sort of money to compete with the elite for spurs to be considered title contenders.

Say what you want about UTD but they are a bigger club and he will get the transfer budget he needs to compete with the very best. People who are thinking that he won't go because he likes to build and that UTD are expecting immediate success is just bull... He will have time to build, Mourinho lost his job not because he wasn't an immediate success but because he lost the dressing room and he did a disaster in the transfer market:
80M in the last transfer window on 3 defenders none even make X11
52M for Fred who doesn't make X11
Sanches on a ridiculous wage don't make X11
90M Pogba who don't make X11

He then tells the press that he's not getting what he wants in the market... I wonder why? UTD lost trust in him and rightly so If poch or any top manager wasted that amount and not even 1 of them makes X11 he would deserve to go too.

Leevy is also a guy whos always looking at who can be next and Eddie Howe is the obvious choice, hes most likely thinking about how much he can demand for Poch rather than how he can persuade him to stay. I really hope a potential investor sees the current state of spurs atm and the potential with the current squad and pumps cash into us to take us forward with Poch and the backing in the market we can grab that title!

But honestly, I can really see Poch leaving after this season.... with Eddie Howe as the replacement.

I've never read so much shite in all my life, do you write for the Times by any chance?

 

[Indisguise]

But when you say "clubs that are rich enough" there's only 2 clubs that do that, City and PSG, who like I say are currently under investigation for their breaches. We are not one of those "rich enough to get away with it" clubs regardless of whether Lewis puts money in or not so I'm not really sure what your point is.

The conversation is pointless anyway. I don't think we're in any danger of spending more than we earn at any point soon.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Either way Mitchell did next to fuck all when he was with us so good luck to them if they get him.

I saw the BBC claiming Mitchell was personally responsible for Dele yesterday, but I'd always been under the impression that it was Pleat who championed that deal?

 

[McArchibald]

Which they're currently under investigation for. And besides, they didn't just openly write a cheque from the owner, Lewis can't do that. Like I say you have to launder it throguh the system somehow, it isn't just a case of Lewis getting his chequebook out.

There could be a share issue - perfecty straightforward transaction for businesses to raise extra capital. Lewis or someone else could buy them up and thus inject extra cash

 

[dirtyh]

Yep, it effectively stops Mouldo or whatever they're called holding Utd to ransom if they want to keep him.

sounds like a bathroom cleaner

 

[C0YS]

Which they're currently under investigation for. And besides, they didn't just openly write a cheque from the owner, Lewis can't do that. Like I say you have to launder it throguh the system somehow, it isn't just a case of Lewis getting his chequebook out.

I get that, but we are not even close to being at risk of FFP. After all stadium costs do not count towards ffp.

 

[Shadydan]

He won more at United than both Poch and Klopp have done in there times in England. Ones hated the other two loved.

Look at our side and the approach we take. Our relative success is built on the collective, working hard, the side is full of substance. Jose’s best sides have always been about that. His first stint at Chelsea, Inter and of course Porto.

The point is that Poch has built that team not Jose. If Jose came in 4 years ago with the players and conditions that Poch had to start with then it's highly likely he wouldn't have succeeded and most probably would have been sacked by now.

Whether Jose works better with hard working teams is irrelevant, recent history suggests that he makes teams and players worse.

 

['O Zio]

There could be a share issue - perfecty straightforward transaction for businesses to raise extra capital. Lewis or someone else could buy them up and thus inject extra cash

Like I said, you need to "launder" it through the system somehow, whether that be through what you've suggested or otherwise, although I suspect that what you're suggesting is not allowed under FFP regulations. What I'm disagreeing with is that it's as simple as Levy asking Lewis to write him a big cheque like the post I was responding to was suggesting.

 

['O Zio]

I get that, but we are not even close to being at risk of FFP. After all stadium costs do not count towards ffp.

I never said we were, but if Joe Lewis suddenly writes us a cheque for hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad then we would be.

 

[Mark_147]

Agree. If we don't get a significant investment Poch won't have any sort of budget this summer and most likely we will need to sell one of our star names to balance the books with the stadium cost. He probably feels he has taken this spurs team as far as he can, he has done an incredible job with the budget he had and mentioned numerous times of late that he doesn't have the sort of money to compete with the elite for spurs to be considered title contenders.

Say what you want about UTD but they are a bigger club and he will get the transfer budget he needs to compete with the very best. People who are thinking that he won't go because he likes to build and that UTD are expecting immediate success is just bull... He will have time to build, Mourinho lost his job not because he wasn't an immediate success but because he lost the dressing room and he did a disaster in the transfer market:
80M in the last transfer window on 3 defenders none even make X11
52M for Fred who doesn't make X11
Sanches on a ridiculous wage don't make X11
90M Pogba who don't make X11

He then tells the press that he's not getting what he wants in the market... I wonder why? UTD lost trust in him and rightly so If poch or any top manager wasted that amount and not even 1 of them makes X11 he would deserve to go too.

Leevy is also a guy whos always looking at who can be next and Eddie Howe is the obvious choice, hes most likely thinking about how much he can demand for Poch rather than how he can persuade him to stay. I really hope a potential investor sees the current state of spurs atm and the potential with the current squad and pumps cash into us to take us forward with Poch and the backing in the market we can grab that title!

But honestly, I can really see Poch leaving after this season.... with Eddie Howe as the replacement.

If they lost trust in him then why did they give him a new contract in the summer. Also I think you'll find not all of those signings we're players that mourinho wanted. Man u have destroyed the reputations of their last 3 managers, moyes, van gaal and mourinho. The last one in particular who has failed to win a league title for the first time at a club he's been in charge of.

 

[Indisguise]

I never said we were, but if Joe Lewis suddenly writes us a cheque for hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad then we would be.

We don't need hundreds of millions and I wasn't suggesting that but the squad does need new players and funds are required to buy them. We can do that without worrying about FFP regs.

 

[vegassd]

Which is exactly why every one that thinks Poch will go to United.

I don't think Poch will go to United this summer and there are plenty of people in this thread who don't think he is either.

What you're doing here, and what many other fans do all over the Internet is equate the possibility of success with the ability to spend money on players and then stop the argument there. It's over-simplistic in my view.

What I'm saying is that "acting like a big club" entails more than that, and the only thing that us fans can control is our outlook towards the world of football at the moment. As a Spurs fan, if you condemn yourself to the belief that Poch will leave because United spend more money than us then you aren't acting like the fan of a big club.

Remember spending power is not everything. United have needed a solid CB pairing for a while now. They've spent £60m on Bailly and Lindelof - presumably at Mourinho's behest - but that didn't work for them. Before that was £35m on Rojo and Blind but that didn't work either. Last summer they came after Alderweireld but they couldn't get it done.

United are a "bigger" club than Spurs and will be for at least 20 years to come I reckon. But that doesn't mean we are going to get bent over and dictated to any more. The gap between the clubs has reduced dramatically since the Carrick/Berbatov days. We successfully told United to piss off in the summer. We got Kane and Poch on lucrative, long-term contracts despite all the media interest from Spain. I would say that the club have started acting like a big club and I wish more of our fans started acting that way as well.

I can dream right!?

 

['O Zio]

We don't need hundreds of millions and I wasn't suggesting that but the squad does need new players and funds are required to buy them. We can do that without worrying about FFP regs.

How much do you think the kind of players people want will cost? That'll be hundreds of millions of pounds. Given we make something like 30-40m profit each year, and you're only allowed to make up to a 5m loss, writing a cheque would put us in jeopardy of breaking FFP regulations.

 

[danielneeds]

No one says no to Manchester United.

Apparently no-one says no to Real too. But Poch did.