The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[dagraham]

Personally, I don't disagree with any of your arguments/excuses, but they are wearing a little thin now. Football is football. Games are played every three days at the top level and you have to adapt. Individuals make mistakes. Conditions are against you.

But if you want to compete at the highest level and win trophies, they can't be reasons/excuses for defeats, certainly not excuses for our points total/away record.

Ultimately, football managers get paid to work well under those conditions and the best managers adapt best. If you can't, you don't last.

Yep. I keep joking about the Euros this summer, but it’s only a half joke really, because plenty of our players will be involved and it will really be just another circumstance that will effect us ( just like other teams) and I can already see it as an excuse for a bad start next season too.

 

[skaz04nik]

reading what you wrote, i'm thinking back especially to Toby's long balls and how they aren't nearly as good today as they were three years ago. so we did it right at one point in the past but now, the other team has figured out how to defend or our players are not moving the same. you are onto something

I have an impression that Toby/ Jan are often forced to play longballs by the opposition. It seems that we are often clueless when other team tries to block the short passing lines. So they just play a longball

Looking back at that Bayern game (still painful to rewatch), see minute 6:40 on the video here


They clearly blocked the passing lines for Harry Winks and he's done. Btw I noticed Ndombele was never caught this way (not vs Bayern but vs any other team) cause he's very comfortable under pressing. He just protects the ball and gets it fwd

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Bayern wanting Pochettino "next summer" sounds like negotiation strategy to me.

 

[Gareth88]

Bayern wanting Pochettino "next summer" sounds like negotiation strategy to me.

Rumours from one website about Naglesmann from Leipzig as a replacement

 

[glacierSpurs]

Can't wait for weeks time when the Pikeys rub salt in our wounds. They'll be so up for it.

Totally predicable, inevitable really.

And you know Poch will fuck care about the supposed rivalry. He wouldn't care much if we lose against them. How high on the horses we are on.

 

[punkisback]

drips and drabs at that are pretty cutting if you read between the lines

“There’s a lot of tactical work. Every day I’m learning. Training’s totally different. For me, that’s perfect. I’m getting help off one of the best coaches in the world.”

“You see sometimes last season or before I was maybe putting the ball in the box for the sake of it. Look at the goal [Álvaro] Morata scored from [Ángel] Correa’s pass [against Athletic]. At Tottenham I would have just crossed that, but there’s three v one so I came back out, played it to Koke, Koke to Ángel, Ángel to Morata, goal. It’s practice.”

“We do that with England too, with Gareth,” Trippier adds swiftly. “If it’s not on, turn out, play to Hendo [Jordan Henderson]. You see the one at the World Cup with Jesse Lingard. It’s not just throwing the ball in the box, hoping they get on the end of it.”

A feeling lingers that something wasn’t right at Spurs, the occasional hint of something really wrong. After last year perhaps Spurs aren’t such a surprise. After the World Cup perhaps his problems weren’t either, an inevitable low following that high? “Personally I don’t think it was anything to do with the World Cup,” he replies. “Sometimes you need a break but that’s not an excuse either.

Haha I can’t take the bit about delaying or passing instead of putting the cross in seriously! Our FBs probably pass it inside more than anyone!

 

[Shadydan]

And you know Poch will fuck care about the supposed rivalry. He wouldn't care much if we lose against them. How high on the horses we are on.

What a weird post ?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Sorry Totally Football Show, the Euro edition with James Richardson, Julien Laurens, James Horncastle, Raph Honigstein plus others...recommended.

Will
Check that out cheers mate.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

what a load of tosh, in Peps 1st season at Bayern Klopp did finish 2nd, but toe-toe and finishing 19pts behind, the 2nd and final season he finished 33pts and in 7th how is that toe to toe

He still got them to the cup finals and they did well in the CL and then in the prem last season Liverpool ran them so close in the league, the season before they knocked them out of the CL and this season they’re top by what 9 points and all this with a team with a much lower budget.

 

[Lighty64]

He still got them to the cup finals and they did well in the CL and then in the prem last season Liverpool ran them so close in the league, the season before they knocked them out of the CL and this season they’re top by what 9 points and all this with a team with a much lower budget.

still didn't run Pep close when at Bayern

yes I'm not doubting Klopp is doing a much better job than Poch at the moment, but Klopp hasn't had his hands tied behind his back by his owners at any time since he has been at Pool.

had the stadium been built when Poch 1st took over and been able to build on what he had instead of small touches up

 

[WiganSpur]

I think the question surrounding Pochettino is one of personal motivation rather than talent. But even so, surely Bayern must be looking at our league form stretching back 10/12 months and have some doubts about appointing him.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

still didn't run Pep close when at Bayern

yes I'm not doubting Klopp is doing a much better job than Poch at the moment, but Klopp hasn't had his hands tied behind his back by his owners at any time since he has been at Pool.

had the stadium been built when Poch 1st took over and been able to build on what he had instead of small touches up

Yea agree mate.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

#POCHOUT

 

[Gb160]

And you know Poch will fuck care about the supposed rivalry. He wouldn't care much if we lose against them. How high on the horses we are on.

There is no rivalry, unless you support West Ham.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Rereading some of the first few pages in this thread is depressing

 

[Gb160]

Rereading some of the first few pages in this thread is depressing

Check out the guilty pleasures thread if that's your bag.

 

[stevenurse]

Whatever way this plays out, I am left with the fear and bemusement that either party (Poch or Levy(ENIC)) could ever let it get to this situation in the first place.

The best you could defend them with is that they've taken their eye off the ball
with the stadium and didn't anticipate the shitstorm we now have. But this is genuinely the basics of running a football club. That's the worry. I've always been frustrated by Levy but at the same time glad he's our chairman. By and large he's run us well and makes most sensible, if not brave decisions.

Now though, I just can't see how he would allow this. Not just the performances, but the contract situations with 3 of our spine. It genuinely baffles me. Unless Eriksen in particular has snaked it by saying he'd sign a deal and then refusing, I don't see why we wouldn't have cashed in a year ago. Flushing assets down the drain doesn't seem like a very Levy move.

Whenever I think of Poch I cast my mind back to the tear at the final home game, the celebration at the end of the City and Ajax games and his smiley face and I wished he was my dad (mainly because he'd get me a cushy job at the club). But to see him in the last few months has been bordering on painful. Irritatable, contradictary, rambling and straight up talking bollocks. I wouldn't want it to end on a sour note and he deserves all the success in the world but I'm just not sure he's got it in him and especially if Kane is fucked off by him then he needs to go. He's no longer the top boy unfortunately.

 

[Lighty64]

Yep. I keep joking about the Euros this summer, but it’s only a half joke really, because plenty of our players will be involved and it will really be just another circumstance that will effect us ( just like other teams) and I can already see it as an excuse for a bad start next season too.

well look on the bright side only 6-7 max of our players that will be in our squad come the start of next season will be playing in it, and it doesn't have a 3rd & 4th place playoff. I do believe there is 1 less match involved in it too

 

[Lighty64]

He still got them to the cup finals and they did well in the CL and then in the prem last season Liverpool ran them so close in the league, the season before they knocked them out of the CL and this season they’re top by what 9 points and all this with a team with a much lower budget.

now I've read your post properly I'll quote it again

the run City close in the league playing 9 less fixtures in the season. they had a 10pts lead at Xmas, or around that time. they knocked them out the CL the previous season, and were lucky because had VAR been available they wouldn't of beat them. they only just scrapped out of there group last season in the CL, and I really think they had a right result v Barca, because Barca played like they had already won the tie at their place.

in any K/O comp you need that bit of luck

 

[Ronwol196061]

I dont think Poch is really confident. He has bravado in some ways but I dont think he is that confident of a creative manager.
I think he has a plan that he religiously believes in and he needs the players to follow the little white ball to the umph degree. If they dont he cuts them.
Sissoko he doesnt cut because Sissoko does whatever Poch says.
Creative players need a certain amount of freedom.They get it when we counter but moving the ball up the field generally they need to follow Poch. (Hence the stupid back and forth passing by the defence...do they look like they are using their instincts?)
I think this is the problem.
When things were working everyone is happy.When it's not....
Anyway fast forward....
Liverpool made us look silly...Poch decides we have to get on the front foot....buys four quasi attackers but can he allow himself to figure out how we evolve to a more balanced game...
The tension within the players tells the real story not their mouths not Pochs mouth.