The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[StevePil]

We won’t. Not in proper numbers. He’ll always have his ‘Poch till I die’ types. I’d like nothing more than for him to turn this round but it’s not happening.

Even now, a fair bit of any vitriol is aimed at anyone but Poch.

100% agree, the trouble is I dont see levy acting unless fans change... whilst fans still sing "hes magic" there is no way he pulls the trigger, unless we fall into bottom 3 which to be honest could happen soon with west ham and Man Utd away coming up, even bournemouth at home is tough...
I genuinely dont see where our next win is

 

[daryl hannah]

100% agree, the trouble is I dont see levy acting unless fans change... whilst fans still sing "hes magic" there is no way he pulls the trigger, unless we fall into bottom 3 which to be honest could happen soon with west ham and Man Utd away coming up, even bournemouth at home is tough...
I genuinely dont see where our next win is

We'll make the CL semis this year and get relegated from the PL... That's what'll happen!

 

[stevenurse]

For those banging the 'he needs to change the players, he hasn't had a rebuild etc' drum... Hear me out.

When Leicester appointed Rodgers in February 2019, they were 12th in the table with 32 points from 27 games.

They now sit 2nd in the table with 26 points in 12 games. Whilst they also signed Tielemans on a permant deal, the only 2 transfers of note that Rodgers has made were Ayoze Perez and Denis Praet.

A perfect example that when talent is there, it doesn't need a massive overhaul, but good coaching. Poch shouldn't have the divine right to declare that shit results are OK because he's building something. He still has amazing tools to use, he needs to look at himself

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The fact Poch picks Sissoko every game is a sackable offence in itself.

 

[DannyNZ]

No chance!!!

And there was me thinking Jansen was a Poch decision

 

[daryl hannah]

And there was me thinking Jansen was a Poch decision

Poch signed off on it, but had he been given a £60m budget to sign a striker rather than £18m, maybe something else would have happened. He may have been working within limits?

TBF there don't seem to be huge numbers of guaranteed talented no.9s out there right now.

 

[danielneeds]

For those banging the 'he needs to change the players, he hasn't had a rebuild etc' drum... Hear me out.

When Leicester appointed Rodgers in February 2019, they were 12th in the table with 32 points from 27 games.

They now sit 2nd in the table with 26 points in 12 games. Whilst they also signed Tielemans on a permant deal, the only 2 transfers of note that Rodgers has made were Ayoze Perez and Denis Praet.

A perfect example that when talent is there, it doesn't need a massive overhaul, but good coaching. Poch shouldn't have the divine right to declare that shit results are OK because he's building something. He still has amazing tools to use, he needs to look at himself

I think that’s a fair point, but they are two very different situations. Leicester had a very young squad that were being misused by a very safety-first manager in Puel. They’ve scouted well and Rodgers is reaping the rewards.

I’d say from when we signed Son, all the way through to this summer our scouting and talent identification has been atrocious.

 

[SpursSince1980]

You have to assume he isn’t going anywhere any time soon. As there hasn’t been a peep from the press or ITK about being close to being axed. So, I guess we will continue on and hope that Poch might turn it around. Which doesn’t seem likely. So, the next one to blame is Levy for leaving this change later than Poch makes subs. This situation is clearly only heading in one direction. Just a pity that Levy doesn’t want to make the change. Which I assume means he is ok with missing out on CL next year, and potentially getting bogged down in a lower table relegation scrap. And this is not hyperbole. Just look at how many points we’ve gotten from our last 24 PL games. That is relegation fodder. Only 3 wins this year and we are approaching December. This is shocking. And for those of us who have supported this team for many years, have seen managers get shitcanned for far less.

 

[RichieS]

Poch signed off on it, but had he been given a £60m budget to sign a striker rather than £18m, maybe something else would have happened. He may have been working within limits?

TBF there don't seem to be huge numbers of guaranteed talented no.9s out there right now.

Morata is on record as having turned down the chance to come to us that summer but declining due to feeling he would be back up to Kane.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

If by some miracle he turns it round and he gets backed with a ‘rebuild’, how long before he’s whoring himself to Madrid again anyway. Just send him packing ffs

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

All the revisionism around Poch is doing my head in a little bit. So what if he championed Janssen? For the 4 of his 5 years in charge he has done an absolutely incredible job.

It just so happens that this last year has been an utter shit sandwich (the CL final a scrumptious filling), and I think maybe his time may have reached an end.

Fair play to those who want him out, but he deserves our respect. Reign it in chaps.

 

[dontcallme]

Players in

2019/20 - Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Clarke

2018/19 - no one

2017/18 - Sanchez, Moura, Llorente, Aurier, Foyth, Gazzaniga

2016/17 - Sissoko, Wanyama, Janssen, N'koudou

2015/16 - Son, Alderweireld, N'Jie, Wimmer, Trippier

So before this summer we had 3 seasons of poor buys and the young players haven't been developed. Wanyama was good but the injury did him, other than that the signings have been squad players at best.

The current setup isn't right for a rebuild. Poch needs to go and Levy needs to think hard on our transfer strategy.

 

[stevenurse]

I think that’s a fair point, but they are two very different situations. Leicester had a very young squad that were being misused by a very safety-first manager in Puel. They’ve scouted well and Rodgers is reaping the rewards.

I’d say from when we signed Son, all the way through to this summer our scouting and talent identification has been atrocious.

The situations may be exactly the same with Poch misusing a squad world class talent

 

[slartibartfast]

Poch signed off on it, but had he been given a £60m budget to sign a striker rather than £18m, maybe something else would have happened. He may have been working within limits?

TBF there don't seem to be huge numbers of guaranteed talented no.9s out there right now.

Our attacking power isn't the problem. Our entire defence is a shambles from a recognised DM, across the back 4 and the goal keeper. Bit harsh on Gazza but he is a second choice keeper. He wouldn't be a starter in any other top 6 team.

 

[Hercules]

And there was me thinking Jansen was a Poch decision

I already said it was

 

[dontcallme]

All the revisionism around Poch is doing my head in a little bit. So what if he championed Janssen? For the 4 of his 5 years in charge he has done an absolutely incredible job.

It just so happens that this last year has been an utter shit sandwich (the CL final a scrumptious filling), and I think maybe his time may have reached an end.

Fair play to those who want him out, but he deserves our respect. Reign it in chaps.

He definitely deserves our respect.

I question his transfers and the poor signings have contributed to his current position. Time for him to go but overall he has been very good for us.

It's a shame some are now trying to make out he has no good qualities.

 

[daryl hannah]

If by some miracle he turns it round and he gets backed with a ‘rebuild’, how long before he’s whoring himself to Madrid again anyway. Just send him packing ffs

Whoever comes in is going to have to ship out the players who want/need to go over the next two windows, regardless. We finish somewhere between 11th-17th, and then win the EPL next year having recruited Fernandes, Atal/Aarons, Grimaldo, Alena, Onana et al.

It's all fantasy football/manager.

 

[dontcallme]

You have to assume he isn’t going anywhere any time soon. As there hasn’t been a peep from the press or ITK about being close to being axed. So, I guess we will continue on and hope that Poch might turn it around. Which doesn’t seem likely. So, the next one to blame is Levy for leaving this change later than Poch makes subs. This situation is clearly only heading in one direction. Just a pity that Levy doesn’t want to make the change. Which I assume means he is ok with missing out on CL next year, and potentially getting bogged down in a lower table relegation scrap. And this is not hyperbole. Just look at how many points we’ve gotten from our last 24 PL games. That is relegation fodder. Only 3 wins this year and we are approaching December. This is shocking. And for those of us who have supported this team for many years, have seen managers get shitcanned for far less.

Levy has been ruthless with pulling the trigger in the past, I am surprised he hasn't made his move.

I would hope Levy would be aware of the feeling inside the squad and knows he needs to do what is required to get the team performing again.

He has improved our infrastructure and got us the stadium. The next step to earning more money is getting the team to become successful.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

He definitely deserves our respect.

I question his transfers and the poor signings have contributed to his current position. Time for him to go but overall he has been very good for us.

It's a shame some are now trying to make out he has no good qualities.

This years transfers look pretty good I’d say. He may have turned some good players down, which has contributed to where we are now, but I don’t buy the idea that Levy isn’t equally to blame for the mess we’re in.

 

[danielneeds]

The situations may be exactly the same with Poch misusing a squad world class talent

Some world class talent, but some players who’ve been at the same club a long time and want a change. Poch could see this coming in the summer, and that’s why he was so unhappy. The players weren’t putting in the same effort in and a lot of them need to go whoever the manager is.