The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[midoshairband]

Also we don't know what plan Levy and Poch have for January

i can hazard a guess. and it involves spending very little money.

 

[shelfboy68]

Ornstein apparently said Poch wants to use youth rather than make new signings

He won't be going anywhere then this must be music to Levy's ears.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

According to some here, we are still way early in the season with enough games to claw our way back.

The poor deluded bastards. How dare they look at things differently. Mugs. Far better to be one of those sour, bitter people who've nothing better to but pour scorn upon ridicule on the manager and anyone believing in him.

I reckon if it weren't for people like you there wouldn't be half as many people arguing the toss over all this, I'm not entirely sure where I stand on Poch myself but bollocks like this makes me want him to turn it around so much it makes the underside of my ballbag itch

 

[dontcallme]

According to some here, we are still way early in the season with enough games to claw our way back.

Yeah crazy to think there is time to do anything in the league. 28 games to go clearly isn't time to do anything.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

He's not gonna get fired if we lose tomorrow.

We just have to accept that Levy is going to back Poch for the time being, only when his position becomes untenable and we're REALLY in the shit as in close to the relegation zone at xmas then he'll act. The reason is because he hasn't lost the dressing room, clearly we have problems with a few players but the majority of the players are still with him it seems.

What we should be hoping for is for wins and getting our form back.

We should also be hoping he stops doing silly shit like diamonds and playing the chronically absent Eriksen when Lo Celso or Moura should be starting

 

[wrd]

Have you seen our form? Since defeat to Burnley in February, we've amassed 23 points from 21 league matches. During that time, we have not won a single away match. This is relegation form over a stretch of over half a Premier League season. Assuming this trend continues, we are going to be relegation threatened by January. The scary thing is there is no reason to assume things will change as Pochettino keeps making the same mistakes over and over.

The players we want out are strongly rumoured to be those who have limited time on their contracts. We're going to get peanuts for them and replacements aren't going to be cheap. If we are to radically reshape the squad we're looking at at least another £100m of net investment to get the quality required.

Another point to make is that there could potentially be a huge difference between what we want to happen and what will happen. What if Toby, Verts, Eriksen, Wanyama want to hold off until the summer? We may just have to carry on as we are.

Of course even assuming this overhaul happens, what is the likelihood that all things will immediately become rosy and that these new players adapt instantly? We all know Poch is extremely risk averse when it comes to new signings. Do you not therefore see the potential problem with just letting things drift as they are until the January window is done?

We'd be doing all this whilst turning down the opportunity to appoint coaches with proven track records at the world's biggest clubs (Mourinho, Allegri) who i'm convinced would be itching to work with the quality of the players Pochettino has at his disposal right now.

That to me sounds like a massive risk. Of course if we do keep Poch I hope we get the troublemakers out, get some replacements in and everything turns around very quickly. But being realistic this all has the capacity to go very pair shaped and the situation could get away from us before we have time to fix it.

All I'm talking about as risk is whether we decide to sign new players and try a mini overhaul. I'd say the risk doing that would be if we were actually doing well, given the dismal points total you highlighted I'd say we wouldn't have much to lose on that front.

I only see us getting to that point if we start gaining some momentum over the next few games. I personally don't us continuing how it is now for 2 more months although I do suspect that Levy and Poch have a plan for January I reckon Levy will still make a difficult choice if we don't start to see a shift soon. I'm hopeful over the next 3 games we can get a shift in momentum and we start to get the results to keep us in the running come Jan.

 

[Navin R Johnson]

We should also be hoping he stops doing silly shit like diamonds and playing the chronically absent Eriksen when Lo Celso or Moura should be starting

It seems like Eriksen is to all intents and purposes on strike. Just about doing enough to stave off the accusation of not trying but at the same time not putting a shift in.

 

[Wick3d]

Ornstein apparently said Poch wants to use youth rather than make new signings

He would play KWP instead of that clusterfuck Aurier then if that were the case, or any other RB youth prospect.

 

[wadewill]

Would love this to be true

I’d be happy having a write off season if it meant something for the future but he keeps picking the old shit

 

[muppetman]

It seems like Eriksen is to all intents and purposes on strike. Just about doing enough to stave off the accusation of not trying but at the same time not putting a shift in.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Poch has always struck me as quite a moral person and so if it was just a lack of effort or care then I think he'd have been on the bench or with the Under 23's.

I'm not sure if it's lack of confidence, some sort of lingering injury or what but I wonder if Poch is hoping he will play himself back into health/form/whatever? At the moment he seems unable to do even the simple things - find space, run about, basic passes so I'm not sure it's just a "can't be arsed" type thing.

I know it sounds unlikely but not as unlikely as Poch continuing to pick someone who is constantly disrespecting him with a lack of effort?

 

[Navin R Johnson]

I'm not sure I agree with that. Poch has always struck me as quite a moral person and so if it was just a lack of effort or care then I think he'd have been on the bench or with the Under 23's.

I'm not sure if it's lack of confidence, some sort of lingering injury or what but I wonder if Poch is hoping he will play himself back into health/form/whatever? At the moment he seems unable to do even the simple things - find space, run about, basic passes so I'm not sure it's just a "can't be arsed" type thing.

I know it sounds unlikely but not as unlikely as Poch continuing to pick someone who is constantly disrespecting him with a lack of effort?

You're probably right, I was thinking out loud so to speak. I think it's the penalty misses made me question things.

 

[muppetman]

You're probably right, I was thinking out loud so to speak. I think it's the penalty misses made me question things.

Oh it's not just you, most of the site seem to think his heads gone, he can't be bothered, he's phoning it in etc. I have just never seen Eriksen that way - whether he's been good or bad he's always had a fairly consistent level of effort and graft. That's why the current situation confuses me as it doesn't fit with my picture of Eriksen or of Poch.

 

[Locotoro]

Reading through some of the posts in here it's almost as if Poch didn't himself say that this was going to be a painful process before the summer even started

 

[muppetman]

Reading through some of the posts in here it's almost as if Poch didn't himself say that this was going to be a painful process before the summer even started

I do wonder if some people thought painful meant we wouldn't be challenging for the league but would be comfortably battling for the 3rd/4th spot and worse case the 5th/6th spot.

I've long thought we are now living with the consequences of the three windows where we did nothing and it's going to take a while for us to get more players out, a few more in and then get everyone gelling together. It's why I'm not a fan of getting a new manager as I think the "bounce" would be pretty short lived as we have some fairly fundamental issues to deal with - namely Rose, Jan, Toby, Eriksen and perhaps also Aurier, Lloris and Moura.

If Ndombele, Sessegnon and Lo Celso can start having a positive impact then it might be enough to keep things going long enough to show signs of improvement and buy the time that I think anyone needs - but only Levy really knows that.

 

[pablo73]

Ornstein apparently said Poch wants to use youth rather than make new signings

Fucking use them then rather than the usual under performing suspects

 

[Metalhead]

Would love this to be true

I’d be happy having a write off season if it meant something for the future but he keeps picking the old shit

Spot on - yes I think that a season of transition has to be accepted every now and again but we do have to feel that it is leading somewhere. People will, I think, need to accept that Poch is not one game away from the sack. There is nothing at all to suggest that anything is going to happen imminently.

 

[EQP]

Ornstein apparently said Poch wants to use youth rather than make new signings

What's stopping him?​

 

[Metalhead]

Fucking use them then rather than the usual under performing suspects

I think that people would be happy to see youth being integrated into the first team, although I do equally appreciate that many will want to see some signings too. I agree that people are just infuriated to see the same suspects being played when they are not performing.

 

[pablo73]

I think that people would be happy to see youth being integrated into the first team, although I do equally appreciate that many will want to see some signings too. I agree that people are just infuriated to see the same suspects being played when they are not performing.

The frustration is that he talks a lot about trusting in youth but very rarely actually does it, no matter how poorly the established first teamers are playing

 

[pablo73]

We would have a much better idea of what signings we really need if we had played the likes of Skipp, Parrott, Tanganga etc a bit more