The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[BringBack_leGin]

My main issue with backing Pochettino through a revolution is that, to genuinely do that, we might have to sell Kane, as Kane clearly doesn’t want to play for Pochettino anymore based on these performances.

I’m not willing to support that particularly sacrifice. We all remember trophies, we also remember great players. I am far more fond of the three years stored in my memory banks of Ginola than the one league cup he won with us. Two years of Berbatov, several of Keane and Defoe, Bale’s growth into what he became etc etc. We have the rare opportunity by the end of Kane’s contract to witness a player make history with us, both with club records and with league/ English records, so if he doesn’t want to play with any manager then I’m backing Kane not the manager. Any manager may or may not have success, but Kane is on course to pass 200 league goals for us, something only Greaves has done, and no player has done for any club in the premier league era. I don’t want to sacrifice that for a manager who can’t get the best out of him.

 

[fuzzylogic]

I'm sorry but this is rubbish.
Some of the best attacking performances I have ever seen at spurs (I've been going 37 years) have been under Poch. I concede that he is far from a perfect manager, but to write off our attacking play like that is plain daft.

I actually mean this in the best possible way. But our attacking plan has been stubbed out for months. Unfortunately there seems to be no plan or no plan that anyone seems to care about.

 

[shelfboy68]

very much depends on Tuesday’s result I think.

Think the club are just delaying the inevitable

 

[bubble07]

As I was saying at HT to @scat1620 , I'm not Poch out yet but I can only repeat what I said before the international break. Some of these players are just going through the motions and are going to get him sacked if he doesn't change things. And we are talking about senior, core group players who have a real effect on proceedings and what is being played out.

Not just on todays game, but I'd say there are five of them in particular who look a bit detached and/or are going through the motions. That doesn't mean we're getting no effort from them, it doesn't mean they don't still make impacts on the game, but I don't see 100% focus and a hunger for the cause.

They are:

Eriksen - Lets get the obvious one out of the way first. Been unsettled for ages and we've seen the clear effect on his game.

Rose - Physical decline, but just seems to play even more with his head in the clouds and back to switching off constantly.

Vertonghen - Also showing signs of decline, another who is getting caught out from switching off and going through the motions.

Alderweireld - Daft errors/play with and without the ball increasingly being seen.

Kane - I fully expect to get abuse for this one, but he's going on the list. Just plodding around half-heartedly for the most part. Just on todays game, people will no doubt point out the handful of times he got angry and chased something and say that shows he's fine and I'm talking crap, but he doesn't press and even when we have the ball I can point you to umpteen times today when eg. a cross went in and he's just stood looking rather than trying to get on it. There's far too much of that currently.

You can argue everyone else's strengths and weaknesses, tactics and what the manager is doing wrong etc, and they're all problems that require fixing, but I see those five as the biggest problem that needs rectifying, ASAP. And they're arguably the most senior players, age/profile/tenure at the club and must have substantial weight in the dressing room. I think some are totally a lost cause, in that case remove them. If he doesn't it will all end in tears.

We need eleven players out on the pitch who are hungry and want to give there all. That's the starting point before we get to quality of football and winning matches.

Agree. Question to ask is is it because of the manager or they just dont want to be here?

But despite agreeing are those players being singled out because of how good they are? Why would Dele Dier Aurier be on that list?

 

[Gareth88]

Still confused by the need for a back five yesterday.

Agree, could possibly have been practice for Liverpool away, it did not work as we all saw. Possibly resting Son, Ndombele after internationals and away to Liverpool next week but again it didn't work. Liverpool are going to slice us apart, I can see Mane tearing past Aurier and Toby already ?

 

[Mr Pink]

My main issue with backing Pochettino through a revolution is that, to genuinely do that, we might have to sell Kane, as Kane clearly doesn’t want to play for Pochettino anymore based on these performances.

I’m not willing to support that particularly sacrifice. We all remember trophies, we also remember great players. I am far more fond of the three years stored in my memory banks of Ginola than the one league cup he won with us. Two years of Berbatov, several of Keane and Defoe, Bale’s growth into what he became etc etc. We have the rare opportunity by the end of Kane’s contract to witness a player make history with us, both with club records and with league/ English records, so if he doesn’t want to play with any manager then I’m backing Kane not the manager. Any manager may or may not have success, but Kane is on course to pass 200 league goals for us, something only Greaves has done, and no player has done for any club in the premier league era. I don’t want to sacrifice that for a manager who can’t get the best out of him.

Agree on kane. Clear as day he's not giving his all for Poch. Even though we're not playing well Kane isn't putting the hard yards in.

Levy surely has to be aware of this, and if he is how on earth does this get resolved? The only way is Poch leaving. Or us selling Kane amongst other key players.

 

[Zummerzet Spur]

My main issue with backing Pochettino through a revolution is that, to genuinely do that, we might have to sell Kane, as Kane clearly doesn’t want to play for Pochettino anymore based on these performances.

How on earth can you tell that?!

Harry doesn’t strike me as the type to down tools for a manager and sulk unlike some of the others that lack character.

If he looks pissed off it’s probably with the lack of service.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

How on earth can you tell that?!

Harry doesn’t strike me as the type to down tools for a manager and sulk unlike some of the others that lack character.

If he looks pissed off it’s probably with the lack of service.

Just compare Kane for England v cannon fodder three days earlier, to Kane v cannon fodder yesterday. England are similarly listless in approach play, but a motivated Uber striker up front is the different between a limp performance and a 6-0 thrashing.

 

[Zummerzet Spur]

Just compare Kane for England v cannon fodder three days earlier, to Kane v cannon fodder yesterday. England are similarly listless in approach play, but a motivated Uber striker up front is the different between a limp performance and a 6-0 thrashing.

Yep but playing for England he was seeing plenty of the ball unlike yesterday.

 

[Hakkz]

How on earth can you tell that?!

Harry doesn’t strike me as the type to down tools for a manager and sulk unlike some of the others that lack character.

If he looks pissed off it’s probably with the lack of service.

Kane might think that the lack of service is down to the way Poch forces them to play, therefore he might have lost confidence in Poch. It's not that much of a stretch.

 

[wrd]

Just compare Kane for England v cannon fodder three days earlier, to Kane v cannon fodder yesterday. England are similarly listless in approach play, but a motivated Uber striker up front is the different between a limp performance and a 6-0 thrashing.

Going against a poor Bulgarian team who were losing early out the gate is a completely kettle of fish to a Prem side with a lead to defend. International qualifiers feels comparable to league one sides at times.

 

[Anurag Jo]

Agree on kane. Clear as day he's not giving his all for Poch. Even though we're not playing well Kane isn't putting the hard yards in.

Levy surely has to be aware of this, and if he is how on earth does this get resolved? The only way is Poch leaving. Or us selling Kane amongst other key players.

No way I let go Kane, Alli, Son. Have to let go Poch.

Say even if we let our top players go and keep Poch. Who knows how are we going to invest? What if we buy players who turn out to be duds? And what do we do then- Sack Poch? Something which we should be doing now!

AND HONESTLY CAN WE STOP SUGGESTING SELLING KANE! THE MANS PROBABLY GONNA GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE GREATEST GOALSCORER IN THE HISTORY. TALK ABOUT SHOOTING ONESELF IN THE FOOT.

 

[Dougal]

The russian revolution took 9 months, the french one just over a year. This ain't a revolution.

Again, that’s the point. Poch wants a revolution, Spurs need one, and Levy didn’t green light it. This comes back to him again and again.

 

[OPModric]

Levy has a tricky situation. Would be better in terms of PR if the media were more critical of Poch. And its also the question of a hughe compensation package to Poch and his straff or being compensated if another club approches him. And the fact united is one of those clubs.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yep but playing for England he was seeing plenty of the ball unlike yesterday.

because he was actually moving/ showing for it...

Going against a poor Bulgarian team who were losing early out the gate is a completely kettle of fish to a Prem side with a lead to defend. International qualifiers feels comparable to league one sides at times.

How do you think we’d/ Kane would look against a league 1 side right now then?

 

[dontcallme]

No way I let go Kane, Alli, Son. Have to let go Poch.

Say even if we let our top players go and keep Poch. Who knows how are we going to invest? What if we buy players who turn out to be duds? And what do we do then- Sack Poch? Something which we should be doing now!

AND HONESTLY CAN WE STOP SUGGESTING SELLING KANE! THE MANS PROBABLY GONNA GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE GREATEST GOALSCORER IN THE HISTORY. TALK ABOUT SHOOTING ONESELF IN THE FOOT.

I don’t think he was suggesting getting rid of Kane. Just that it seems keeping Poch means key players might want out.

You can make your point without putting everything into caps.

 

[dontcallme]

Again, that’s the point. Poch wants a revolution, Spurs need one, and Levy didn’t green light it. This comes back to him again and again.

Who? Lenin?

Can we have just one thread where you don’t blame Lenin?

 

[Dougal]

Who knows, I don't think things will improve for quite a long time, so I guess it's down to what road Levy wants to go down.

Waiting for him to play his hand. So no matter what opinions are offered here, none are right or wrong. Just superfluous to the fact that it’s Levy’s call. Which is all I’m trying to say.

 

[wrd]

because he was actually moving/ showing for it...



How do you think we’d/ Kane would look against a league 1 side right now then?

We'd look about the same as England I'd say, we've shown we can turn it on vs poor opposition already this season, Kane would be fine with the space afforded which he doesn't get vs Prem teams. people will point to Colchester but that was our reserves.

 

[Mr Pink]

No way I let go Kane, Alli, Son. Have to let go Poch.

Say even if we let our top players go and keep Poch. Who knows how are we going to invest? What if we buy players who turn out to be duds? And what do we do then- Sack Poch? Something which we should be doing now!

AND HONESTLY CAN WE STOP SUGGESTING SELLING KANE! THE MANS PROBABLY GONNA GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE GREATEST GOALSCORER IN THE HISTORY. TALK ABOUT SHOOTING ONESELF IN THE FOOT.

I'd never sell Kane, not in a million years. If it were a choice between keeping Kane or Poch, it would be Kane all day long.

Just musing what the problems are within.