The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[cjbyid]

If he is to keep his job, because I can't see levy sacking him until we end up in the bottom half, he needs a result against Watford and to somehow do something at Anfield. Nothing less is acceptable anymore.

 

[mike_l]

winner. Remember what Graham Roberts said about Barkely for eg - Poch wanted him 100%....ends up at Chelsea.
Response from the BSofL is that we got Moura....well Chelsea bloomin well turned around and spent 60 million on Pulisic and turned down 40 million for CHA and signed him to a massive 5 year deal while he was injured!

Someone earlier said, would Mou have won the league with these players.
The real question is how many Poch would have won with backing.

I'm gonna go by his achievements so far and guesstimate none, in this hypothetical fantasy scenario which has absolutely no bearing on whether Poch is the right man to turn round the terrible run of performances that have been served up from our very capable group of players since the 2-1 win away at Newcastle last season.

 

[Mr Pink]

How is Poch going to turn it around if a lot of the players don't want to play for him?

That's what I don't get. So if Poch stays and we begin a big clear out, it could take a long time to sort out, more than one season.

With the importantce of CL qualification I think Levy has a serious dilemma on his hands.

One thing is for sure, we're heading for mid table this season, or worse if things carry on as they are.

I've have never seen such a dreadful performance than today.

And off the back of Tuesday it's just completely unacceptable. Any team reacts after a humiliation, they don't go and add another one to top the week off ffs.

Actually so pissed off, had faith there would be a big reaction today.

That faith has completely gone.

 

[Metalhead]

How is Poch going to turn it around if a lot of the players don't want to play for him?

That's what I don't get. So if Poch stays and we begin a big clear out, it could take a long time to sort out, more than one season.

With the importantce of CL qualification I think Levy has a serious dilemma on his hands.

One thing is for sure, we're heading for mid table this season, or worse if things carry on as they are.

I've have never seen such a dreadful performance than today.

And off the back of Tuesday it's just completely unacceptable. Any team reacts after a humiliation, they don't go and add another one to top the week off ffs.

Actually so pissed off, had faith there would be a big reaction today.

That faith has completely gone.

I don't see us qualifying for the CL so I feel relaxed in that sense.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't see us qualifying for the CL so I feel relaxed in that sense.

Well yeah, but one could argue that somebody else could achieve it with this squad.

And I'm not sure Levy would be 'relaxed' about it either.

 

[Primativ]

I don't see us qualifying for the CL so I feel relaxed in that sense.

Yes because Poch is manager ffs. Any other top manager would walk us into the top 4

 

[rossdapep]

How is Poch going to turn it around if a lot of the players don't want to play for him?

That's what I don't get. So if Poch stays and we begin a big clear out, it could take a long time to sort out, more than one season.

With the importantce of CL qualification I think Levy has a serious dilemma on his hands.

One thing is for sure, we're heading for mid table this season, or worse if things carry on as they are.

I've have never seen such a dreadful performance than today.

And off the back of Tuesday it's just completely unacceptable.

Actually so pissed off, had faith there would be a big reaction today.

That faith has completely gone.

It's why I'm unwilling to give him that chance.

Who's to say he doesn't shift out some good players and replace them with some who turn out to be inadequate? It's a massive risk and could set us back even further. Then our chances of getting a decent coach diminish too.

Alternatively, we could bring in a winner now and we may get a number of those players back on board and prevent the likes of Kane thinking about making a bolt for it too.

 

[dagraham]

The players looked lost, confused and devoid of all confidence out there. Going back through @Trix posts it's clear there's been a lot of kick back from the players over this, and is refusing to listen.

I'll always love and respect Poch for what he's done for us, and I have no doubts he's been dealt a tough hand at times, but he's been central to this massive decline in 2019, both with his comments and general demeanour, and some very poor tactical choices.

Without knowing exactly what the issues are, Poch did change it up today with Dier starting today over Winks ( although I was extremely hungover watching it today so can’t be sure whether it was a just a change of personnel rather than the system). And we were still garbage, so sadly maybe it’s too late to bring the players back onside.

In hindsight I’m glad I watched that with a minging hangover as I was feeling too rough to really give a shit .

 

[rabbikeane]

“If your own fans didn’t want you, there is no point to carry on working because you are going to damage first of all your company, your club,” said Pochettino.

“They are important, the fans, and at some point, you need to go away because the club is always more important than any person. And if I am the point that creates problems between all levels of the club, I prefer to go away.”

Words comes easy however, self insight is more difficult, and not to mention letting money go

 

[Noryid]

not just picking on this post but haven’t we beat Everton, Cardiff and Fulham away from home since mid-December so that’s at least 9pts add away wins against Dortmund and Ajax?

There have been away defeats but I’d only put today’s down as totally unacceptable.

Burnley Away - Mike Deaned
Southampton - Rose brain fart (maybe this is what Poch started to see about his squad and painful rebuild)

Liverpool - last minute Lloris f*** up

Chelsea - trippier disaster

City - we actually played well few days after CL game

Bournemouth - ended up with 9 men...should have had pen and chance to equalise

Leicester this season - var

This is not to let Poch off the hook completely, but the players need to share the blame also. The Chpions league final was there for Eriksen to step- up and grab the game by the scruff of its neck. He didn’t. He’s no elite player. The other wantaways might be sniping to their agents that they can’t play the way Poch wants them too, but isn’t this what Poch knows himself. Physically these players are shot and they are not realistically moving upwards they are heading towards an easier European league such as Holland, France or Belgium - hardly moving to a top club?

What does Poch do? Drop them completely? He should and its what I’d do, but then he’ll have 5/6 players sniping from the u23 squad and constant bad press.

Levy should back Poch, tell him he has his backing to sideline the bad eggs, get the new signings fully integrated, recharge Dier, Alli & Sanchez and get back to his philosophy of hard work and the press. We might lose more games, but long term we’d be better for it

Could not agree more on this!
Make the bad eggs rot with the U23 and call up some youths. We have nothing to lose!

 

[Mandy Dingle]

I'm torn in just about every direction. The performances have been awful bar a few memory-forging sparks for the past twelve months. The guy has given us so much, peaks higher than I've experienced as a Spurs fan for years, if not decades. Yet there have been troughs, and the one we're in right now would rival the Marianas Trench.

Do I want him to go?

I'm not really sure how to answer it. I want change. I desire improvement and tangible evidence of evolution or revolution but am seeing neither. The situation is so complex as the blame is split just about 33.3% between the players, staff/manager, and owners.

The worst part is I really don't know how to fix the situation with any degree of nuance.

Do we sack Poch and bring about potentially turbulent times? Or do we bench players not performing or who have lost their will and undertake an enormous shake-up of the playing squad?

The answer probably lies somewhere in-between the two. Or maybe it doesn't. Maybe the answer is one or the other.

I'm just so conflicted about the whole thing. I'm sat between anger and disappointment and both emotions are never actionable in a balanced, meaningful way.

 

[JayB]

How is Poch going to turn it around if a lot of the players don't want to play for him?

That's what I don't get. So if Poch stays and we begin a big clear out, it could take a long time to sort out, more than one season.

With the importantce of CL qualification I think Levy has a serious dilemma on his hands.

One thing is for sure, we're heading for mid table this season, or worse if things carry on as they are.

I've have never seen such a dreadful performance than today.

And off the back of Tuesday it's just completely unacceptable. Any team reacts after a humiliation, they don't go and add another one to top the week off ffs.

Actually so pissed off, had faith there would be a big reaction today.

That faith has completely gone.

The only sliver of hope is that the team was completely and utterly deflated by what happened to Lloris in the opening minutes of the match. Obviously Poch has a strong interest in deflecting blame and finding excuses anywhere he can at the moment, but that was what he put his finger on in his press conference. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that the players might have been affected by witnessing their beloved captain and teammate suffer what looked like could have been a career-threatening injury, and having simultaneously gone down a goal in the fourth minute compounding the ill feelings left over from the Bayern match.

I don't know if I buy that excuse and I wouldn't be shocked to see Poch go now. If he does stay, however, I think he's got to drop the players whose heart isn't in it and build the team around the likes of Son, Kane, Lamela, Lucas, Dier, Winks, Sissoko, Sanchez/Foyth, Davies, and the new signings. Those listed have enough pride and love for the club that I think they'd play for him, and are talented enough to keep us within touching distance of fourth until January if they do turn up and play.

I'm still holding out the slightest bit of hope because the first five minutes of the match today were gutting and were not at all a normal occurrence, but at the same time I wouldn't blame Levy if he pulled the trigger.

 

[dagraham]

How is Poch going to turn it around if a lot of the players don't want to play for him?

That's what I don't get. So if Poch stays and we begin a big clear out, it could take a long time to sort out, more than one season.

With the importantce of CL qualification I think Levy has a serious dilemma on his hands.

I really feel Levy faces the most difficult decision of his time here. Yeah it was a big call to sack Redknapp, but the fact that we’ve just built the new stadium ( and still don’t have a naming rights sponsor) and charge the highest ticket prices in Europe means that CL qualification is arguably even more important.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

If he doesn’t start Lucas after the international break when he’s the only attacker along with Dele not away on International duty he should be sacked on the spot !

 

[wrd]

If he doesn’t start Lucas after the international break when he’s the only attacker along with Dele not away on International duty he should be sacked on the spot !

I certainly think that if he isn't willing to play players who are fighting for him as opposed to those who seem to have checked out then it's hard to justify the notion of him wanting to turn it round himself. This is coming from somebody who wants him to turn things around desperately.

 

[TropicalYid]

Maybe Levy has failed poch. The players obviously are underperforming.
But what cannot be neglected is that Poch is the manager. Hes in charge for the team. The boss. The CEO. He picks the team, he choose tactics, he buys/sells players.
There are probably many things that need to be done at our club to turn this around but I think it has to start with letting Poch go.

Its like in the corporate world. Poch is at the helm. Cant blame the workers(players). He done good for us but this year it a whole different situation. You cant live on old merrits (even though we have no silverware). Out of league cup, on our way out of CL, top 4 slipping.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Squad is too good to be this shit for past 10 months. I’m sorry but levy has his problems but form since start of the year losing to very beatable teams is not one of them

 

[stevenurse]

There were lots saying how 9 points were needed from Southampton, Brighton, Watford etc. Well we've scraped past 1, been smashed in the other, with 1 to come.

We are an embarrassing shambles at the moment and a change is 100% necessary. The fish rots from the head. He can't survive this.

A manager can only be judged on his current results and any other manager would have lost his job. Of course its irrelevant because there's no way he's being sacked, but surely it's only common sense that this isn't acceptable.

Whatever he does during the break, I hope it's a real message and it better be taken on board.

Colchester, Bayern and this within 2 weeks. 99% of managers would have been sacked by now.

 

[Mr Pink]

The only sliver of hope is that the team was completely and utterly deflated by what happened to Lloris in the opening minutes of the match. Obviously Poch has a strong interest in deflecting blame and finding excuses anywhere he can at the moment, but that was what he put his finger on in his press conference. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that the players might have been affected by witnessing their beloved captain and teammate suffer what looked like could have been a career-threatening injury, and having simultaneously gone down a goal in the fourth minute compounding the ill feelings left over from the Bayern match.

I don't know if I buy that excuse and I wouldn't be shocked to see Poch go now. If he does stay, however, I think he's got to drop the players whose heart isn't in it and build the team around the likes of Son, Kane, Lamela, Lucas, Dier, Winks, Sissoko, Sanchez/Foyth, Davies, and the new signings. Those listed have enough pride and love for the club that I think they'd play for him, and are talented enough to keep us within touching distance of fourth until January if they do turn up and play.

I'm still holding out the slightest bit of hope because the first five minutes of the match today were gutting and were not at all a normal occurrence, but at the same time I wouldn't blame Levy if he pulled the trigger.

Very unfortunate what happened to Hugo but it's a very weak excuse to use imo.

You could easily argue that it should of galvanised the team, brought them togther and shown some fight in the face of adversity.

But no, we took the easy option and collapsed. Where are the leaders in this team, I don't see any.

We're not playing with commitment and desire, and those are prerequisites for any team taking the field.

The team owed the fans today (especially our travelling away fans) and we just folded.

Yeah it was an unfortunate way to start the game, but a group with a strong mentality come together. We had 90 minutes to come back into the game and stamp our authority on it.

What actually happened was something I've never seen before, just a nothingness really.

I'd be stunned if Poch turned this round now.

 

[YiddoTom90]

Wonder how long the other top six would keep their managers with this form, this is 2008 levels