The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[tony0379]

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Personally, I am going to put some money on Eddie Howe as the next Spurs manager . May even do it now if the odds are decent enough.

Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
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I'm sorry I don't want another potential loser as a manager. It's got to be a proven winner for a couple of years to install the winning mentality Into these pricks we have playing for us. If it's possible

 

[freeeki]

Given the comments from respected ITKs on here this week, namely Trix and ValY, I’m more sure than ever that I want Poch to leave sooner rather than later

 

[dagraham]

Problem with Benitez is that if if you add what it would cost to compensate Poch and then Rafa's Chinese club, it would probably make the eyes water. I don't doubt that Rafa would take the job but then he would expect and need a sizeable kitty.

I didn’t realise he was in China. Thought he was still out of work after leaving Newcastle. Another option probably off the list then.

Howe is 8/1 with Paddy Power. I might lump on.

 

[mattyspurs]

True when he joined, but you can’t call Poch a **** for thinking that things might have changed after challenging for the title on a shoestring and then getting to a champions league final surely?

To be fair Bear, things did change after the CL final. We increased players wages, but spent ‘big’ for Levy, and went big for Dybala.

I actually think he will spend better now we are in the stadium.

 

[marion52]

Why is any one person to blame?
Poch, Levy, Eriksen and any other player you want to name?
The slump is collective, not refreshing the squad season on season (for whatever reasons), being left with players who would rather be elsewhere, using most of the cash on a great new stadium. These factors all are contributing to what’s happening now.
In my mind Poch has earned the chance to try and turn it around. We got in 3 new players this season and only NDombele has so far been able to contribute. We’ve had a few other injuries as well. Hopefully after the international break we’ll have a fully fit squad ( fingers crossed for no new injuries while on international duty) to pick from.
The alternative may be back to a revolving door of managers. Be very careful what you all wish for, the grass is not always greener.

 

[sausage]

Don't know why but I just can't see levy sacking him. Think we'll try and limp on until January.

I recall that with the AVB thing, it was said (can't remember the source/quote) from an insider POV that he never wanted to sack him either - apparently, at the time, he went into the meeting looking to plan a way out of it, and ended up with AVB walking. Based on what we know from AVB, he probably made himself extra sackable in some way during the meeting, but I expect it would be similar with Poch - something which I'll base purely on what he wrote about him leaving Espanyol, although the circumstances are very different.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?

I'm sorry I don't want another potential loser as a manager. It's got to be a proven winner for a couple of years to install the winning mentality Into these pricks we have playing for us. If it's possible
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There’s no need to apologise if you believe what you are saying.

Ramos was a proven winner, just saying...

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Poch seems very stubborn with his ways & i cant see much changing soon in terms of personnel, expect similar results to come

 

[dagraham]

Any chance you could show your working on this one? There would be literally no point in going for Howe or similar. The reason for sacking Poch would be underachievement with the tools at his disposal - a squad that is plenty good enough to finish in the top 4 and win trophies - there's no reason to believe Howe would achieve those things. We're a totally different club to the one Poch took over and the only option for us now is a proven "difference maker", especially given the things Levy has said in recent interviews. My money's on Mourinho.

Yeah, my working on this one is I agree with you and I don’t want Howe for exactly the reasons you’ve said, but I don’t care what Levy has said in interviews. Mourinho wants to work with proven players and will want funds to buy some new ones of his own choosing. Not operate “creatively” or “be clever” in the market. I just cannot see it myself.

 

[dondo]

I understand, but do you believe its a fact because Hoddle said it is?

Hoddle probably has a better idea what’s going on at the club rather than randoms on the internet

 

[soup]

well if Hoddle is right that Poch didnt want anybody I dont know why we tried so hard to sign Grealish and few others that summer.

Yep, this is true, but we didn't sign him. The matter comes down to whether it was because we wouldn't pay the money or Poch decided not to, or Villa wouldn't sell, or he didn't want to come.

The only reason I firmly believe Hoddle wasn't lying was just because of the way he said it and backed it up. It might be one of those 'had to be there' things, but it went along these lines.

Hoddle - Poch didn't want to spend the money.
Host - Do you think that's the case?
Hoddle - I know for a fact.
Host - Moving on...
Hoddle - for a fact!

It was pretty convincing. Other than that I'm none the wiser on the actual 'facts'. I'm basing mine on his.

 

[dondo]

Yeah, my working on this one is I agree with you and I don’t want Howe for exactly the reasons you’ve said, but I don’t care what Levy has said in interviews. Mourinho wants to work with proven players and will want funds to buy some new ones of his own choosing. Not operate “creatively” or “be clever” in the market. I just cannot see it myself.

Anyone who thinks Mourinho is coming here is delusional imo

 

[RichieS]

I don't think our problems are down to one person only, it is a combination of a number of issues.

Everyone has his own opinion on what's gone wrong and maybe all the different personal opinions on the matter have a degree of sense.

Poch may be one of the issues and it could also be that he has lost faith and belief in some of the players in the squad. Of course he has not always picked the right formations, of course he has sometimes said things he should have never said and he could have a plan b and c. when things need changing.
But, Levy has got to shoulder his responsibilities as well. Yes he has taken the Club forward in no small measure, put us in a brilliant position and on a very solid economical foundation for years to come, he also gave us one of the best stadium and training facilities, but he has not invested enough with regards to the requirements of the footballing side.
Our net spend has been mean and miserable, in the region of just GBP 85 million in the time Poch has been here. Compare that to the other top six sides and we are left light years away behind.

So, I really believe that we cannot put our finger on one place and say this is it. One last thing, for those who may think that we can just go and bring in another Manager and we'll be back in business, think again, it would not work unless Levy is prepared to open up his wallet and hand him 200 million per season - in the current market - to make it work. Something which if he is open to do, then might as well give it dosh to Poch !

How much dosh was Poch given last summer? Before the serious commencement of the stadium project, any and all money the club generated would be reinvested in the football operations. Now the stadium finances have been smoothed out for the long term I expect to see a return to that model and if that means there is £200m available every year then great (I think it'll be more like half that, but still a sizeable increase on previously).

A lot of people seem to think that ENIC take money out of the club rather than spend it on players - there is no evidence of this in the accounts. If they start doing that then I shall join the malcontents. Similarly, a quick engagement of the grey matter allows one to pretty easily come up with a good reason that they club has kept a lot of cash in the bank over the last couple of years and I really don't think that reason was lack of desire to improve the squad.

 

[rossdapep]

The problem is the alternatives. Sanchez is no use. And GLC is injured

Sanchez was fantastic in his first season.

What did Poch do? Dropped him for Toby and then used him sparingly - one moment he's on the bench, next he's left cb, back in the bench, then right cb. This season RB.

Now Sanchez is deemed unreliable. Nice one.

 

[bubble07]

I think the biggest issue is poch wanted key players gone and levy not accepted low offers and replacing them with players at overinflated prices which was needed

 

[bubble07]

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Personally, I am going to put some money on Eddie Howe as the next Spurs manager . May even do it now if the odds are decent enough.

Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
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It's because we have established players that need a winner to listen to and not Edward Howe

 

[dagraham]

I think the biggest issue is poch wanted key players gone and levy not accepted low offers and replacing them with players at overinflated prices which was needed

Maybe I’m wrong, but didn’t we agree to sell Wanyama? I thought the issue was he couldn’t agree personal terms with Brugge?

 

[rossdapep]

Yeah, it wasn't the losing part that got me - it was more in the way of the manner of the defeat. If ever there was a clear message of players making a point, then that was it. Poch must go imo, not just because of the spoiled little brats pretending to be spurs players, but also the complete one-dimensional approach poch has to the game. I don't give a shit how many Poch lovers will be butthurt over what I'm about to say, but Poch is a very limited manager. I mean if his system doesn't work, we look totally lost and no clear direction on how to solve it. I seriously can not believe just how basic poch is. He hasn't learned anything since his Espaynol and Southhampton days about tactical flexibility.

Ask any Saints fan about Poch and they will say the same thing - Counter press fantastic when it works, when it doesn't he doesn't have an alternate approach.

It's why I want Allegri or Mourinho, they are great tacticians and can really adapt to the opposition for those big games.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Imo Eddie Howe would be a disaster and completely out of his depth with big players

Not a problem. They’ll all be gone next summer...

 

[maltahotspur]

It's why I want Allegri or Mourinho, they are great tacticians and can really adapt to the opposition for those big games.

Levy can't afford them and more so their demands of money for transfers, we all know how mean he is.