The Formula 1 Thread

[LeSoupeKitchen]

I understand why a penalty was given. I’m questioning why it didn’t apply to the next race

Because they're just making up the rules now to ensure an epic finale.

 

[$hoguN]

They are going to have a really awkward situation when Verstappen takes out Hamilton next weekend and they need to DQ from the Championship or allow it to be the thing that wins it (along with the horseshit race where they did 2 laps behind a safety car to give Verstappen the win)

 

[Gb160]

They are going to have a really awkward situation when Verstappen takes out Hamilton next weekend and they need to DQ from the Championship or allow it to be the thing that wins it (along with the horseshit race where they did 2 laps behind a safety car to give Verstappen the win)

That was truly farcical.

 

[charliemouse]

Never underestimate the sheer ignorance of the general public.

A lot of F1 fans are also pretty racist too.

 

[Gb160]

A lot of F1 fans are also pretty racist too.

Anyone who thinks Max was the driver of the day is quite clearly a fucking moron.
He instigated multiple dangerous incidents showing no consideration for the safety of other drivers, got dealt the flukiest of all hands by being able to change tyres after the first red flag.

...and still fucking lost lol.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

The FIA have spent the whole season trying to engineer a Verstappen championship win, and he still fails to tie it down. Their lack of discipline with him has led to his increasingly horrific driving.

I have no doubt Horner and Max will be carefully finding a point in the track where Max can accidentally run into Hamilton. Either that or they get Checo to do it. Picture the semi final in The Karate Kid.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Yeah, yeah... and they'll.. they'll spike Hamilton's drink! Yeah! They'll do that, then they'll sprinkle crisps in his bed and leave pistachio nut shells all over his bathroom floor so when he goes in there in the dark, after the 3am wake up call they arranged for poor Lewis, in bare feet, he'll be all like "Argh! My feet!"...

and they'll wedge cheese in his blowers so his car smells bad....



Always a conspiracy somewhere. It'll be another hard race and if he chooses the Senna/Prost route and decides to end the race early for both of them, it'll be up to the officials to decide on his punishment. Done and done, can't wait for the race, it's going to be tense as hell.

 

[Gb160]

The FIA have spent the whole season trying to engineer a Verstappen championship win, and he still fails to tie it down. Their lack of discipline with him has led to his increasingly horrific driving.

I have no doubt Horner and Max will be carefully finding a point in the track where Max can accidentally run into Hamilton. Either that or they get Checo to do it. Picture the semi final in The Karate Kid.

What’s funny is the back bending from Max fans finding it increasingly difficult to justify his shit, but still somehow finding a way.

 

[tototoner]

Would have liked to see Verstappen win his 1st championship but all momentum is with Hamilton now.

I can see Hamilton getting pole in Abu Dhabi, getting a clean start and Verstappen will not be able to lay a tyre on him the whole race.

 

[Yiddo100]

Would have liked to see Verstappen win his 1st championship but all momentum is with Hamilton now.

I can see Hamilton getting pole in Abu Dhabi, getting a clean start and Verstappen will not be able to lay a tyre on him the whole race.

Verstappen will do what my younger self done on racing games, driver round the Lap the wrong way to ensure Hamilton doesn’t finish ?

 

[Yid-ol]

I think F1 need to re think the 5 and 10 second penalties.

This isn't just for the race yesterday but it doesn't work for max or lewis most the time. They are that far ahead of the rest if the one in second gets the penalty they still finish 2nd! It's not like when the cars were all a lot closer and that penalty did drop you down. But then on the flip side the 5 and 10 seconds still work for the middle teams, so you can't then change it to be different for the front runners.

 

[Gb160]

I think F1 need to re think the 5 and 10 second penalties.

This isn't just for the race yesterday but it doesn't work for max or lewis most the time. They are that far ahead of the rest if the one in second gets the penalty they still finish 2nd! It's not like when the cars were all a lot closer and that penalty did drop you down. But then on the flip side the 5 and 10 seconds still work for the middle teams, so you can't then change it to be different for the front runners.

And also giving a position back ‘strategically’...it’s bullshit.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

And also giving a position back ‘strategically’...it’s bullshit.

Bit different though, time penalties are just applied in situations where the officials decide the rules have been bent. Giving back positions are something they kinda have to leave to the driver's discretion. Would you expect them to give up the place if there was a risk that they'd lose momentum, or put themselves in a position that they'd drop more than one place? I mean, that wasn't the case yesterday, but giving back track position is a bit more complicated than time penalties, especially on a track like that.

 

[Gb160]

Bit different though, time penalties are just applied in situations where the officials decide the rules have been bent. Giving back positions are something they kinda have to leave to the driver's discretion. Would you expect them to give up the place if there was a risk that they'd lose momentum, or put themselves in a position that they'd drop more than one place? I mean, that wasn't the case yesterday, but giving back track position is a bit more complicated than time penalties, especially on a track like that.

I’m not talking about time penalties.
Giving a position back at a part of the circuit where it’s almost certain that you’ll instantly get it back with DRS is pointless bullshit...all teams do it, I get that.

 

[littlewilly]

Anyone who thinks Max was the driver of the day is quite clearly a fucking moron.
He instigated multiple dangerous incidents showing no consideration for the safety of other drivers, got dealt the flukiest of all hands by being able to change tyres after the first red flag.

...and still fucking lost lol.

I suspect that there are 18 million Dutch people registered on the F1 site and thus eligible to vote.

 

[Wig]

I think F1 need to re think the 5 and 10 second penalties.

This isn't just for the race yesterday but it doesn't work for max or lewis most the time. They are that far ahead of the rest if the one in second gets the penalty they still finish 2nd! It's not like when the cars were all a lot closer and that penalty did drop you down. But then on the flip side the 5 and 10 seconds still work for the middle teams, so you can't then change it to be different for the front runners.

If they are going to decide a penalty post-race then it should have been a 5 place grid penalty for the following race (unless it is the last race of the season, as there's no point applying a penalty to take effect in the first race of the next season).

Penalties are meant to be a deterrent and lesson for future behaviour. The 10 second penalty - already in the knowledge that Max's margin ahead of 3rd place was more than that - is pointless.

 

[Yid-ol]

Bit different though, time penalties are just applied in situations where the officials decide the rules have been bent. Giving back positions are something they kinda have to leave to the driver's discretion. Would you expect them to give up the place if there was a risk that they'd lose momentum, or put themselves in a position that they'd drop more than one place? I mean, that wasn't the case yesterday, but giving back track position is a bit more complicated than time penalties, especially on a track like that.

Hamilton has done the same thing before where he has let someone back past as gained an unfair advantage but then taken the place back before/at next corner.

I don't agree with that as it's been done in a way where you go, ok I made a mistake here is your place back but I will then gain the advantage from it! Though this was before DRS.

They should have a point or points in the lap where they have to move off the racing line to let the other car though. These points should be where they know there won't be an advantage at the next straight for DRS or they can run around the outside/or inside to take it back. It's a hard one to call and both have been foul of it.

 

[Yid-ol]

If they are going to decide a penalty post-race then it should have been a 5 place grid penalty for the following race (unless it is the last race of the season, as there's no point applying a penalty to take effect in the first race of the next season).

Penalties are meant to be a deterrent and lesson for future behaviour. The 10 second penalty - already in the knowledge that Max's margin ahead of 3rd place was more than that - is pointless.

It's a way to punish Max without punishing him really. I think it's happened before this season or last(can't think for who) where a penalty was given after the race and moved someone down?

But I agree if you penalize someone during the race, add time as others can react or that drive can. If it's after the race it should go on to the next qualifying/race

 

[Tucker]

Time was when penalties had to be served in the pit lane at a complete standstill. Bring that back.

 

[Wig]

It's also annoying that Bottas cannot keep anywhere close to the pace and action of Ham and Max - it would have had a much bigger impact if the 10 sec penalty dropped Max behind Bottas in the standings. But then we all know the stewards would have chickened out of the penalty if that were the case.