Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea - Match Thread - Day 21

[Serpico]

Jose and the players need to clear the air-if thats the problem. If I were a player I would want to turn things around.If I were Jose I would want to turn things around-so whats the problem. We need some mediation to solve the situation. What about giving the job to Ledley King temporally with Jose overseeing things for now. Create some space between the players and Jose until matters are sorted.

 

[Griff001]

After Leicester won the league, they had such a bad season that Ranieri was sacked.

Craig Shakespeare then came in and was also sacked.

Brendan Rodgers seems to be doing ok with a lot of the same players.

Not too dissimilar to our situation and shows just what a good manager can do with a team of underachieving individuals.

Didn't they also have that Claude Puel somewhere in there too, also sacked?

 

[razzmaster]

Jose and the players need to clear the air-if thats the problem. If I were a player I would want to turn things around.If I were Jose I would want to turn things around-so whats the problem. We need some mediation to solve the situation. What about giving the job to Ledley King temporally with Jose overseeing things for now. Create some space between the players and Jose until matters are sorted.

I don't think it's that easy. Despite the huge wages that these players get, they still need to be guided and motivated. At the moment they don't seem to be buying into the style of play and are scared to make a mistake. It doesn't reflect well on our players but it is not uncommon.

All players are different, but I would much rather be coached by someone like Guardiola who encourages bravery than Mourinho who demands safety first and is not averse to playing the blame game if things don't go his way.

Ultimately, if you are winning then everything is OK, but if things go wrong, it is a lot harder to turn around with the Mourinho approach.

 

[razzmaster]

Didn't they also have that Claude Puel somewhere in there too, also sacked?

Yeah, forgot about him (Shakespeare didn't last that long)

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

You can't just aim those boo's at Jose. The players again have been gash.

Yea its definitely both

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Either DL has to throw money at getting the players JM needs to play the way he wants to play, including workrate and trust, vs DL has to throw money at replacing the manager with an aoppointment that wants to use the players we have, but even then some need replacing regardless.

Whether you like Mourinho or not, its easy to see that this squad is badly imbalanced and needs key upgrades.

I’ll say again, mourinho has added 10 players to this squad. If it’s still imbalanced, it’s his fault

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Didn't see a single complaint in here when the side was announced. Maybe the odd, player switch, but on the whole the consensus was this was the correct line up.

Yep I'd say the XI was pretty much correct but the style and tactics and structure were yet again awful, we dropped deep and hit long balls pretty much from the first minute, no plan or coaching of what to do with the ball in possession apart from the odd counter-attack and transitions.

But a huge issue is a lack of a midfielder who can link the defence and attack like Eriksen or Dembele both did in different ways. Lo Celso is the closest thing we have to that but he is injured, Winks can do it to an extent but has his limitations, no matter who the manager is it will be difficult for us to play football without someone who can do this, I suppose Ndombele is kind of supposed to be doing this but I really can't work out if he is a 6,8,10 or exactly what he is, clearly some talent there but still not 100% how we should best use him, my feeling is he'd be best in a close together 4-3-3 in lots of passing triangles rather than this far apart 4-2-3-1.

What do you think Trix?

 

[Riandor]

I’ll say again, mourinho has added 10 players to this squad. If it’s still imbalanced, it’s his fault

It doesn’t matter.
This about moving forward, not what happened.
We know we didn’t get our first choice CB last summer and it shows.
Improved squad yes, but the usual suspects are still not performing / Mourinho isn’t getting them to dance to his tune.

My point was only that it’s on DL to decide where to shove the money. Into the manager‘s squad or their departure.

 

[ILS]

Jose and the players need to clear the air-if thats the problem. If I were a player I would want to turn things around.If I were Jose I would want to turn things around-so whats the problem. We need some mediation to solve the situation. What about giving the job to Ledley King temporally with Jose overseeing things for now. Create some space between the players and Jose until matters are sorted.

I love Ledley and along with Modric are my two favourite spurs players ever, but I have never seen anything in him which would suggest he would make a good coach let alone a manager.

I genuinely still question the real reasons why he got the coaching job in the first place and found it more of a token appointment to appease the fans than either Freund or Poyet.

 

[GutBucket]

Once again our attackers useless, but so was almost everyone other than Aurier and subs. Compare our pass map to theirs. We don't have a good plan on how to start attacks. Not sure why Vincius plays in new creative Kane role either (maybe dropped deep on his own to receive a pass and get to play a game of football).

 

[CrazyHeart]

I love Ledley and along with Modric are my two favourite spurs players ever, but I have never seen anything in him which would suggest he would make a good coach let alone a manager.

I genuinely still question the real reasons why he got the coaching job in the first place and found it more of a token appointment to appease the fans than either Freund or Poyet.

Because we need trophies and consistent results for which Mourinho has an incontrovertible record. Period. We also appointed him as it was clear that Poch had taken things as far as he could... kudos for the CL Final, but it was clear that manager fatigue had set in with the team resembling an elevator in free fall. I don't see it being a 'token' appointment as Mourinho had no Spurs history prior to joining us ... Freund / Poyet would've been the token appointments to appease fans if anything.

 

[ILS]

Because we need trophies and consistent results for which Mourinho has an incontrovertible record. Period. We also appointed him as it was clear that Poch had taken things as far as he could... kudos for the CL Final, but it was clear that manager fatigue had set in with the team resembling an elevator in free fall. I don't see it being a 'token' appointment as Mourinho had no Spurs history prior to joining us ... Freund / Poyet would've been the token appointments to appease fans if anything.

I think you have missed the boat. I was talking about Ledley in response to the previous poster suggesting he could take over as a temp manager.

 

[Jules_PF]

I’ll say again, mourinho has added 10 players to this squad. If it’s still imbalanced, it’s his fault

Was pausing over the agree button, I'm almost with you. However its very hard to integrate 10 players in a single season. Maybe he thought some of the 'deadwood' would be shifted by Levy? Another poster mentioned it and I think he has a point, Bale has upset the 'karma' of the squad, big money doing FA. Other respected players being sidelined, ie Dele. Longest serving player being poorly treated, Rose. Regardless of what Rose tweeted or posted, he has been treated poorly by the club. . Chuck in the vagaries of inevitable poor form and we simply are not a harmonious squad.

At the end of the day Jose is responsible as he's the manager. I think Jose will survive the season, much longer, probably not. A Europa cup final will save him in any event.

 

[CrazyHeart]

I think you have missed the boat. I was talking about Ledley in response to the previous poster suggesting he could take over as a temp manager.

I stand corrected sir!

 

[Serpico]

The matter which way we look at this it’s a crisis needs to be sorted.

I love Ledley and along with Modric are my two favourite spurs players ever, but I have never seen anything in him which would suggest he would make a good coach let alone a manager.

I genuinely still question the real reasons why he got the coaching job in the first place and found it more of a token appointment to appease the fans than either Freund or Poyet.

We will never know. My fear is someone like Hodgson.

 

[ebzrascal]

Cause he missed the one chance he got in the 88th minute of a game he's had 0 service to til that point? And got pushed in the back by Lucas just before he head it?

missed a similar chance in the Europa league. H needs to more clinical

 

[RickyVilla]

We'd be lucky to beat Oxford City if this continues.

FYP

 

[mumfordspur]

Another poster mentioned all the managers who have (to a limit) turned things round but for me you cannot compare Mourinho to any of them as he is renowned for being toxic it's his way when it is working it is fine but at some time people have enough.