The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Window is open!

[Yid-ol]

Modric was never told he could go to Chelsea, Berahino was told he could go and then they said no at the last minute. So Modric went on strike to try and force a move, SB has acted up after he was promised one and the promise was broken.

I know which I think is worse.

Bale..the answer is Bale

 

[benny]

It does seem to be a bit unfair to me, this bad attitude stuff related to Berahino. It seems to have become one of those internet 'factoids' that a notable member on here often talks about, based on various bits of news and gossip.

But do any of us know how true it is? or how the guy really is? It certainly seems like he has made some mistakes such as the drink driving, but he may well have learnt from them like others have.

It does make me wonder though, does the club do any psychology analysis of potential transfer targets and if so, how? Interviews as part of the medical, or do they research things before making a bid?

How does a coach like Pochettino judge if an incoming player will fit the profile he wants for the squad. I assume they have much more information than we do and don't just believe the news reports and gossip. So if he does want SB as his number 1 target, what does he know that others don't?

 

[sak11]

I think the fact that Berahino wants to get away from WBA and Pulis and move to a club that actually plays football is a sign of a young man with insight and intelligence....

 

[Snuzzy]

from the Loanwatch thread - first confirmed transfer out.
Kenny McEvoy has terminated his contract with the club. Comes directly from the player.
Currently on loan at York so presumably will sign permanently with them.

 

[Jody]

from the Loanwatch thread - first confirmed transfer out.
Kenny McEvoy has terminated his contract with the club. Comes directly from the player.
Currently on loan at York so presumably will sign permanently with them.

Gareth Bale has offered him the chance to drive a merc away from the bernabau on match days.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Modric was never told he could go to Chelsea, Berahino was told he could go and then they said no at the last minute. So Modric went on strike to try and force a move, SB has acted up after he was promised one and the promise was broken.

I know which I think is worse.

“And when you sign a contract as a player, you need to understand that you don’t sign to play, you sign to train.”

Mauricio Pochettino Feb 2014.

Arguing who's the biggest sucky baby the player paid 50k a week refusing to do his job or the one paid 25k week refusing to do his job is bit like arguing who's the biggest pigmy in the village isn't it ?

Modric also stated that Levy went back on his word when he'd signed a new contract the previous season to Chelsea's interest. I'm sure Peace didn't say to Berahino "you can go even if it means accepting an offer that's unacceptable to the club".

I don't want him because he's nowhere near right to take Kane's place when he can't play and we already have other "different" options and kids coming through. But it's amazing how tolerant people can be when it suits and intolerant when it doesn't.

Reminds me of all the people slaughtering AVB for not making peace with Adebayor "It's his job to get the best out of our best player no matter how much of a prick he is" but when Pochettino takes his squad number and makes him train with the 8yo's it's great man management.

 

[Trix]

“And when you sign a contract as a player, you need to understand that you don’t sign to play, you sign to train.”

Mauricio Pochettino Feb 2014.

Arguing who's the biggest sucky baby the player paid 50k a week refusing to do his job or the one paid 25k week refusing to do his job is bit like arguing who's the biggest pigmy in the village isn't it ?

Modric also stated that Levy went back on his word when he'd signed a new contract the previous season to Chelsea's interest. I'm sure Peace didn't say to Berahino "you can go even if it means accepting an offer that's unacceptable to the club".

I don't want him because he's nowhere near right to take Kane's place when he can't play and we already have other "different" options and kids coming through. But it's amazing how tolerant people can be when it suits and intolerant when it doesn't.

Reminds me of all the people slaughtering AVB for not making peace with Adebayor "It's his job to get the best out of our best player no matter how much of a prick he is" but when Pochettino takes his squad number and makes him train with the 8yo's it's great man management.

I'm not being tolerant because it suits, but because I believe the issues ATM are being blown out of all proportion. It's worth remembering despite all these "issues" he has been making the bench throughout. There have been 3 other strikers(all of which more a traditional 9 type) all start in front of him of late, yet he has always been the bench option in front of the other options. Whatever your thoughts on him it is blatantly clear Pullis favours the target man type with SB his constant plan B. If he is being such a disruptive player why keep picking him? Pullis is a known authoritarian and yet keeps selecting a problem player???

Just doesn't add up to me.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm not being tolerant because it suits, but because I believe the issues ATM are being blown out of all proportion. It's worth remembering despite all these "issues" he has been making the bench throughout. There have been 3 other strikers(all of which more a traditional 9 type) all start in front of him of late, yet he has always been the bench option in front of the other options. Whatever your thoughts on him it is blatantly clear Pullis favours the target man type with SB his constant plan B. If he is being such a disruptive player why keep picking him? Pullis is a known authoritarian and yet keeps selecting a problem player???

Just doesn't add up to me.

You compared him to Modric, not me. A week after supposedly "going on strike" Modric was back in the first team.

I think the fact that Berahino isn't making the first eleven now WBA have adopted a lone striker system is a perfect example of why I don't want us to waste a penny on him. I'm sure there's a club for him, and I'm sure he could have an OK Defoe/Bentesque career, just not with us hopefully.

 

[neilp]

I'm not being tolerant because it suits, but because I believe the issues ATM are being blown out of all proportion. It's worth remembering despite all these "issues" he has been making the bench throughout. There have been 3 other strikers(all of which more a traditional 9 type) all start in front of him of late, yet he has always been the bench option in front of the other options. Whatever your thoughts on him it is blatantly clear Pullis favours the target man type with SB his constant plan B. If he is being such a disruptive player why keep picking him? Pullis is a known authoritarian and yet keeps selecting a problem player???

Just doesn't add up to me.

At least with him constantly being picked for the bench it should mean he is training properly and his fitness levels are good.

 

[millsey]

What happened to werner? We not going back, stutgart look in trouble.

Bloody good point

 

[Trix]

You compared him to Modric, not me. A week after supposedly "going on strike" Modric was back in the first team.

I think the fact that Berahino isn't making the first eleven now WBA have adopted a lone striker system is a perfect example of why I don't want us to waste a penny on him. I'm sure there's a club for him, and I'm sure he could have an OK Defoe/Bentesque career, just not with us hopefully.

No I replied to another post doing just that, and pointed out the differences(exactly the same as you have done).

And again, I understand why you don't want him I have read it quite a few times now and you are right in he is not a Kane clone. I'm not even arguing this point as that is clearly just a matter of opinion if he fits or not All I'm saying is that many people are using his aledged bad attitude as a reason not to sign him, and I believe it is nothing like is being portrayed, as Pullis would not be picking him if this was as bad as its being made out. This is just WBA getting the fans onside before he is sold IMO.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

F*** knows why people already have such a vendetta against Berahino. Feel sorry for the lad if he does happen to join us. Scapegoat before bought.

 

[yankspurs]

F*** knows why people already have such a vendetta against Berahino. Feel sorry for the lad if he does happen to join us. Scapegoat before bought.

I think you'll find Carroll is the new scapegoat

 

[Trix]

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At least with him constantly being picked for the bench it should mean he is training properly and his fitness levels are good.

Apparently he is fat and unfit though if you listen to some.on here. So that will be Pullis picking a fat, unfit, disruptive, problem player. It's almost as if some people don't know who Tony Pullis is.

 

[Japhet]

No I replied to another post doing just that, and pointed out the differences(exactly the same as you have done).

And again, I understand why you don't want him I have read it quite a few times now and you are right in he is not a Kane clone. I'm not even arguing this point as that is clearly just a matter of opinion if he fits or not All I'm saying is that many people are using his aledged bad attitude as a reason not to sign him, and I believe it is nothing like is being portrayed, as Pullis would not be picking him if this was as bad as its being made out. This is just WBA getting the fans onside before he is sold IMO.

A week or so ago Pulis said Berahino was extremely lucky to even be on the bench (or words to that effect). In the summer Pulis was very supportive of Berahino during the whole saga but it seems to me that he has lost a lot of patience with or respect for the player now. Presumably something has changed behind the scenes.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

A week or so ago Pulis said Berahino was extremely lucky to even be on the bench (or words to that effect). In the summer Pulis was very supportive of Berahino during the whole saga but it seems to me that he has lost a lot of patience with or respect for the player now. Presumably something has changed behind the scenes.

And after the Stoke game yesterday, Pulis said Berahino was very unlucky not to be starting.

 

[Trix]

A week or so ago Pulis said Berahino was extremely lucky to even be on the bench (or words to that effect). In the summer Pulis was very supportive of Berahino during the whole saga but it seems to me that he has lost a lot of patience with or respect for the player now. Presumably something has changed behind the scenes.

Not disputing any of that, but again, Pullis (the authoritarian) is still picking him! The difference imo is that Pullis in the Summer knew he was stuck with him. Now he wants to move him on.He just isn't a Pullis type CF. Peace has to save face imo and it is easier to do when you are getting rid of "problem player".

Lets just say none of this had come out in the press. Peace could not sell him to us at less than we offered in the Summer without looking a right twat. Now he is just doing whats best for the club by getting rid of a player the manager wants rid of because he is a bad influence. Their fans were desperate not to sell in the Summer now they all want him gone. If it wasn't for the fact Pullis has religiously picked him in the match day squad I'd be worried, but as it is as long as Pullis keeps playing him I am convinced it's nothing like as bad as being made out.

 

[nailsy]

Wasn't it only a few days ago that Pullis was saying he's often late for training and that he's putting himself before the team?

To be fair to him though he's obviously very unhappy there, and possibly doesn't feel part of the squad so maybe that attitude isn't surprising.

 

[rawhide]

Everyone has an agenda, and all of the stories, rumours and whispers coming out will be to further one or more of them. Salt with everything...

 

[CockOnBall]

I don't think Pulis' comments are in any way coordinated with Peace. There appears a blatant disconnect between what the manager wants, and the what the chairman is doing. Pulis quite clearly rates Rondon, Lambert, Anchibe type strikers - 'target man'. He only has space for one in the side, so happy to sacrifice Berahino to secure funds for other areas (he's admitted countless times, they have to sell to buy). He's not in any way interested in re-integrating Berahino into the team. He's therefore happy to use Berahino as a scapegoat for all WBA's ills.

This is at odds with Peace who most likely wants Berahino in the side and scoring goals so his valuation is met via a bidding war. If he wanted to use Berahino's poor attitude as an excuse to sell him, he would have done so in the summer. Pulis constantly criticizing Berahino and not playing him is not helping Peace achieve his aim. Hence, I doubt very much he wants Pulis acting this way.