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[Hotspur88]

Dragon with an info dump on COYS.…

The main things I am hearing is he wants fast ,high energy mobile players and they have bought him in to find value / unearthed potential in the market place rather than buy established 40-50 million players

I still think Raya will happen but I think a lot of our other signings will be off the radar and south of 15 million

I found Daniels comments re our academy interesting yesterday as with the exception of Devine none of our other top kids are likely to be ready for a couple of years

the cream of our academy are in the under 17 and 16 teams

Regarding some of the speculation on wages on here

Lori’s is on 100k a week , Tanguy 200k , Peresic is on 60 a week

the only player who is on mega bucks is harry

regarding maddison , last summer when Daniel was trying to convince conte to take eriksen who wanted to return we then looked at maddison who was available for 50 and passed , for it to happen leicster would have to come off on price

Some of this aligns with what I'm hearing, but players only south of 15m isn't true. We are 100% trying to bring Raya, Laporte & Maddison in and all of them would cost north of 15m.

 

[cliff jones]

Lol, the things that people invent to fit their own narrative.

the most over-used word on the site.

Injured or not, he is at the heart of the Club’s problem. Not good enough, been here too long.

My opinion, nobody’s ‘narrative’

 

[spursfan77]

Some of this aligns with what I'm hearing, but players only south of 15m isn't true. We are 100% trying to bring Raya, Laporte & Maddison in and all of them would cost north of 15m.

They are key positions so I can see us pushing the boat out there. I wonder if he just means we will be going for players based on our new recruiting strategy, which will mean more low key players being brought in rather than below that arbitrary figure. That seems more likely to me.

That would make sense also as we aren’t going to be bringing loads of funds in from our departures.

 

[philll]

If true Levy on money saving mode .....what a suprise. Think i'll wait and see but wouldn't shock me if this is true.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with "money saving mode" as long as it aligns with the abilities and aspirations of the coach and everyone's on the same page.

 

[cliff jones]

let's see how hard he tries to bring these three in. I'd be impressed if he gets two of them.

 

[Shanks]

We all know it’s going to take a few bigger, more expensive players to get us into a better shape, so ITK on those 3 positions is understandable, it’s also understandable that we will look to start unearthing a few cheap gems, whilst I don’t like looking at other clubs models (prefer we set our own one), it’s working well for Brighton and there is talent lower down the leagues too.

 

[Shanks]

let's see how hard he tries to bring these three in. I'd be impressed if he gets two of them.

One of them tbh

 

[PCozzie]

Dragon with an info dump on COYS.…

The main things I am hearing is he wants fast ,high energy mobile players and they have bought him in to find value / unearthed potential in the market place rather than buy established 40-50 million players

I still think Raya will happen but I think a lot of our other signings will be off the radar and south of 15 million

I found Daniels comments re our academy interesting yesterday as with the exception of Devine none of our other top kids are likely to be ready for a couple of years

the cream of our academy are in the under 17 and 16 teams

Regarding some of the speculation on wages on here

Lori’s is on 100k a week , Tanguy 200k , Peresic is on 60 a week

the only player who is on mega bucks is harry

regarding maddison , last summer when Daniel was trying to convince conte to take eriksen who wanted to return we then looked at maddison who was available for 50 and passed , for it to happen leicster would have to come off on price

As an over-arching strategy I'm OK with us going for younger, more off-grid players. It mustn't become dogmatic though. If we can get the right player for £50m then we should still do that.

Some of this aligns with what I'm hearing, but players only south of 15m isn't true. We are 100% trying to bring Raya, Laporte & Maddison in and all of them would cost north of 15m.

Good.

 

[Timberwolf]

Think I'd be surprised if we didn't sign Raya at this point but also surprised if we signed either of Laporte or Maddison.

In fact I'll be downright amazed if we get all 3.

 

[KingNick]

A return to buying young hungry players would be a good thing. But I think dragon is showing his age slightly when he assumes we could buy anyone for south of £15 million. That doesn’t get you anything these days.

In general, to find players at that price, You’d either have to be looking in some more obscure/lower level leagues and taking big risks on whether they can adapt or finding players with only one year left on contract and/or a club in financial need (the potential Lenglet deal has no doubt got Levy horny that there are other such deals around)

 

[S17PUR]

Some of this aligns with what I'm hearing, but players only south of 15m isn't true. We are 100% trying to bring Raya, Laporte & Maddison in and all of them would cost north of 15m.

If we brought those 3 in and supplemented that with some youth, that would be a really, really good window.

The thing that worries me is United are heavily linked with Raya and Newcastle heavily linked with Maddison, meaning we can't take loads of time haggling the price down or else we'll miss out completely. We need to be decisive if those are Ange's main targets, and historically, we've not been.

 

[KingNick]

If we brought those 3 in and supplemented that with some youth, that would be a really, really good window.

The thing that worries me is United are heavily linked with Raya and Newcastle heavily linked with Maddison, meaning we can't take loads of time haggling the price down or else we'll miss out completely. We need to be decisive if those are Ange's main targets, and historically, we've not been.

I just can’t see Ange being completely tied to wanting Maddison and Raya. Yes, both very good and PL proven but I’m not convinced either are especially unique in what they offer. Definitely ones where I would not expect us to overpay, knowing alternatives could be around.
Laporte on the other hand is a bit different. Left sided players are rarer and he ticks most of our boxes very well. Him and Lenglet as his deputy would be a good result.

 

[Timberwolf]

If we brought those 3 in and supplemented that with some youth, that would be a really, really good window.

The thing that worries me is United are heavily linked with Raya and Newcastle heavily linked with Maddison, meaning we can't take loads of time haggling the price down or else we'll miss out completely. We need to be decisive if those are Ange's main targets, and historically, we've not been.

From what I can tell Utd are also being heavily linked to a couple of other keepers whereas we're pretty much only linked to Raya.

If United make him their no.1 target we could be in trouble there so yeah, would be a good one to get done early (and an important player to bring in for the start of pre-season).

 

[Rusta81]

In general, to find players at that price, You’d either have to be looking in some more obscure/lower level leagues and taking big risks on whether they can adapt or finding players with only one year left on contract and/or a club in financial need (the potential Lenglet deal has no doubt got Levy horny that there are other such deals around)

I guess age would be the factor, ie 23 and under. If it’s data led recruitment hopefully they are the right fit and thus negating risk .

 

[carpediem1906]

Some of this aligns with what I'm hearing, but players only south of 15m isn't true. We are 100% trying to bring Raya, Laporte & Maddison in and all of them would cost north of 15m.

Thanks for sharing / affirming

It’s good to hear us wanting top tier players for these crucial positions

Just want to also see or hear more about
1) getting these players in early ie before players return, if that’s 1 July then before that
2) outgoings
3) Kane not leaving / wanting to work w Ange

 

[Russ1201]

Really wish we could be pro active gor a change and sign players early. Quite a few teams dignings players already.
Yet more than likely Levy will leave it till towards the end of the window to save on wages meaning we could miss out on players like Ndicka and probably Maddison.

 

[Timberwolf]

Really wish we could be pro active gor a change and sign players early. Quite a few teams dignings players already.
Yet more than likely Levy will leave it till towards the end of the window to save on wages meaning we could miss out on players like Ndicka and probably Maddison.

We did some early business last year tbf. Perisic was super early and Bissouma was in by mid-June.

But yeah I agree we could really do with getting in our keeper and first choice LCB in for pre-season as those are probably the biggest holes in the first 11 atm. If we leave key signings until late in the window and they miss out on Ange's pre-season then the slow start he's known for will be even slower.

 

[KingNick]

I guess age would be the factor, ie 23 and under. If it’s data led recruitment hopefully they are the right fit and thus negating risk .

this idea that “data led recruitment” is some panacea is very over-rated. Plenty of clubs, far more committed to it have still had failures when signing what they think are undiscovered diamonds. Just because it’s suggested that we will be committing to a more data led approach (something which is also misleading as it’s not as though we haven’t had a data analysis team in place for years) doesn’t mean the data is going to fit with reality.

 

[piedpiper]

Laporte would be a perfect signing, but we need multiple CBS. Anyone else worried Dier will hoodwink another manager into thinking he’s a starting level CB? He’s done it to the last 3 managers despite a wealth of evidence to the contrary

Imagine that title winning managers included in it too... or...... maybe he actually didn't.

Anyway not the thread for this discussion.

 

[aussiespursguy]

I just can’t see Ange being completely tied to wanting Maddison and Raya. Yes, both very good and PL proven but I’m not convinced either are especially unique in what they offer. Definitely ones where I would not expect us to overpay, knowing alternatives could be around.
Laporte on the other hand is a bit different. Left sided players are rarer and he ticks most of our boxes very well. Him and Lenglet as his deputy would be a good result.

Cant help but thinking the home grown factor with these two.
A home grown keeper is gold.
Throw in a home grown AM then happier days.
We should be losing a few in the home grown status and we need to replace.
I think Raya should get done. Maddison will be tougher.