The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Groundhog Day you say? Groundhog Day you say?

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a common theme now from itk - don't matter who is the manager...it will be the same problems with Levy in charge of football affairs...

been quite some time (?) since an itk has had the opinion...hey Levy doing a great job it's the manager who is messing up...
 

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It’s obvious that we’re in a bad way and have been for some time. Mourinho has limited experience of dealing with the type of dynamic we’re currently stuck in so in that regard his appointment is baffling unless we plan on spending a fortune, which we almost certainly aren’t.

This new ITK coupled with the Kane info from yesterday makes the coronavirus look like trifle at Christmas
 

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Rally appreciate the ITK. But somehow, it seems to me Levy is intentionally taking the rep in order for some fans to side with Mourinho awhile, as the public support for him wanes in the past few weeks.

I just don't think Levy and Mourinho are both that dumb in not knowing what's the other's expectation. The relationship between them won't be a struggle for now until Mourinho is given at least a full preseason. Although admittedly the last few results are not doing him any favour, and definitely raising some flags from Joe.

It is too easy a situation now to point fingers at each of them backed with failed transfers or results while what we are knowing is still a fraction of the whole story. The last thing we need is really for the fans to be even more divisive, because we still have that chance of getting a CL spot end of season. Really not like we are heading towards relegation. We need to calm down.

Can't wait for the international week or any postponement of the games to soothe the tensions.
 

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Sounds like a lot of opinion in there though.
Absolutely but it was still a fantastic read, I never take ITK too seriously after watching how transfers were Levy's fault, then Poch's, Then the markets and we're now currently back at Levy.
 

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  1. For me, its not at all that he's useless. Its how short he comes when the playing side needs him to step up.
  2. You don't think the extra 13 mil for the image rights on Dybala might have been a worthwhile investment?
  3. Grealish? I'm sure the list goes on and on. Our lack of investment is going to cost us millions now.
  4. Jose, to no one's surprise, is surely asking for massive investment and I don't see any way this ends well.
  1. Agreed in the context of the past three years. Before that? Nah, playing side consistently improved from roughly Arnesen’s appointment up until mid Poch tenure, which I’m sure not too coincidentally is the first time we abandoned the DOF approach without having an experienced manager in place (there was no DOF when Redknapp was here but it wasn’t necessary as ‘Aitch was better connected than my bank details to pornhub).
  2. Is that all it was? We know this as fact?
  3. Hard to disagree here but the speed with which Grealish renewed his deal once the new owners arrived suggests that the this wasn’t totally our fault. More frustrated by the lack of an alternative that summer to Grealish.
  4. This is probably true but you don’t have anyway of knowing this, you’re spouting you fears as fact.
 

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I wouldn't start getting too deep into this now. I would think that with the clouds circling at the moment, this is going to get worse before it gets better.

Feels like trouble is brewing just based around the ITK and some what in the media.

If you start at one another's throats now, you'll be spent by the time when your side needs you most.

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  1. Agreed in the context of the past three years. Before that? Nah, playing side consistently improved from roughly Arnesen’s appointment up until mid Poch tenure, which I’m sure not too coincidentally is the first time we abandoned the DOF approach without having an experienced manager in place (there was no DOF when Redknapp was here but it wasn’t necessary as ‘Aitch was better connected than my bank details to pornhub).
  2. Is that all it was? We know this as fact?
  3. Hard to disagree here but the speed with which Grealish renewed his deal once the new owners arrived suggests that the this wasn’t totally our fault. More frustrated by the lack of an alternative that summer to Grealish.
  4. This is probably true but you don’t have anyway of knowing this, you’re spouting you fears as fact.
1. Consistent build was fine until it was time to strike and make the moves necessary to boost the squad to the next level. Will Spurs ever have a better back 5 than Rose, Vert, Toby, Walker & Lloris? I doubt it. A better front four than DESK? We'll see. They just needed that extra 2-3 players to help them compete across 4 competitions.
2. There were reports thats all it was.
4. Of course, I can't read the future but if we're all being honest thats way more likely than this appointment working out.
 

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the mystery of Dragon’s gender has been running longer than the rumours about us signing Damiao.
The important thing is that now, in 2020, neither confirming gender nor signing a striker are important anymore.
 

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That's the whole point of a director of football, otherwise he's just a chief scout.
Well. There is a lot more that goes on at a club than just that. A DoF would have the responsibility of the academy etc.
 

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Our current situation is due of multiple parties but it seems to be the case of we can’t replace the entire squad therefore we need a fall guy and as it stands that person would be Jose. Yes the football is drab and the results shocking but he’s got very little to play with and has inherited the same failing players that Poch failed to motivate in the last year or so of his tenure.

Whether it be Jose or another new manager the simple fact is that he must be backed and the squad given a major overhaul. If not then Lewis needs to find himself a new top dog and asap otherwise his £2billion asset will lose value at a rate of knots.

Levy’s a cross between Buzz Lightyear with his pre-programmed responses and that couple whom won £40 plus million on the Euro Lottery and continued to live in a caravan and not spend any money. Why play the bloody lottery in the 1st place. In Levy land it’s penny pinching 101.
 
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1. Consistent build was fine until it was time to strike and make the moves necessary to boost the squad to the next level. Will Spurs ever have a better back 5 than Rose, Vert, Toby, Walker & Lloris? I doubt it. A better front four than DESK? We'll see. They just needed that extra 2-3 players to help them compete across 4 competitions.
2. There were reports thats all it was.
4. Of course, I can't read the future but if we're all being honest thats way more likely than this appointment working out.
  1. Surely every time we’ve moved to improve the squad in the last two decades it has been to take us to the next level, no?
  2. I don’t mean was it just that little, more was that really the only issue, or was it the only reported issue?
  3. That’s just unwarranted negativity.
 

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As others have said, that ITK needs a massive dose of salt, comes across as very agenda driven imo. I do wonder where all the money has gone though, wasn’t long ago that reliable sources were saying that Poch had money to spend “if he wanted it.” And just last summer we were ready to drop the best part of 90 million on Dybala. Yes we have paid Poch off, but he didn’t get paid that much.
 

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dragon1 said:


A few points



1- We are no longer for sale and have not been since the palace home game last March so that is not a current option



2- Joe controls what happens with the club not DL , DL loves running the club he would never sell but its not his call



3- Levy is now under intense pressure from all quarters, Even before the Norwich game Joe thought both the results and performances Jose was delivering in relation to the obscene contract he was given were hugely disapointing, levy defense that Jose is a winner do not look to clever now after the last week , I do not know to many directors who would survive the debacle of having to pay 60 million managerial compensation to two high profile managers whilst overseeing a playing squad with little balance or quality , levy is far from untouchable, Spurs are big business now a 2 billion asset with 500 million turnover, levy future very much rest in the hands of Jose being able to turn around

4- Levy not for the first time was badly hoodwinked by Jose with what a wonderful squad you have etc , Jose predictably now changed his tune, pre Norwich Jose wanted 8 new players in the summer and the guy from Lyon as new DOF , I presume after Norwich and last night Jose will want even more player





and

if I gave you a list of players that wanted to join and levy messed up the deals you would sob, he did amazing with the stadium to get the nfl , banks and authorities on board but one swallow does not make a summer he has been a dreadful chairman, Poch the messiah covered his shortcomings for 5 years but that ship has sailed.


and

Lewis now watches every games and finds Jose's tactics and football eye bleeding

and (looks more opinion but still interesting.

Dragon1 said:


I never wanted him but after poch threw in the towel after yet another summer of levy shambles ( this years deal f55k ups were coutino and Dybala ) and with scum closing in on Jose levy felt they had to act and Jose duly pulled levy pants down



They need to decide whether to stick or twist after the wham game , unless they are going too back him and bring the Lyon guy in there is no point , Jose did not want a striker in jan as he had a player in mind for the summer , Jose did this at united where they got him everything he wanted and he was still useless

There is no point crying over spilt milk we need to boot Jose and pay him off , we are miles from a cl team right now, we need to bring sess, parrot, cirkin and tanganga through and try and attract some bright talent in the summer and rebuild with a modern young coach, Jose is way way past it
If one good thing comes of the Jose months (as we will one day not so fondly refer to them), it'll be in highlighting what a shambles the playing side of the club has become.

Levy must be the smartest guy in most rooms, but his record in terms of appointing managers and squad-building is patchy at best. He needs to learn from the monumental fuck up he's currently presiding over and either adapt accordingly or step aside.
 

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dragon1 said:


A few points



1- We are no longer for sale and have not been since the palace home game last March so that is not a current option



2- Joe controls what happens with the club not DL , DL loves running the club he would never sell but its not his call



3- Levy is now under intense pressure from all quarters, Even before the Norwich game Joe thought both the results and performances Jose was delivering in relation to the obscene contract he was given were hugely disapointing, levy defense that Jose is a winner do not look to clever now after the last week , I do not know to many directors who would survive the debacle of having to pay 60 million managerial compensation to two high profile managers whilst overseeing a playing squad with little balance or quality , levy is far from untouchable, Spurs are big business now a 2 billion asset with 500 million turnover, levy future very much rest in the hands of Jose being able to turn around

4- Levy not for the first time was badly hoodwinked by Jose with what a wonderful squad you have etc , Jose predictably now changed his tune, pre Norwich Jose wanted 8 new players in the summer and the guy from Lyon as new DOF , I presume after Norwich and last night Jose will want even more player





and

if I gave you a list of players that wanted to join and levy messed up the deals you would sob, he did amazing with the stadium to get the nfl , banks and authorities on board but one swallow does not make a summer he has been a dreadful chairman, Poch the messiah covered his shortcomings for 5 years but that ship has sailed.


and

Lewis now watches every games and finds Jose's tactics and football eye bleeding

and (looks more opinion but still interesting.

Dragon1 said:


I never wanted him but after poch threw in the towel after yet another summer of levy shambles ( this years deal f55k ups were coutino and Dybala ) and with scum closing in on Jose levy felt they had to act and Jose duly pulled levy pants down



They need to decide whether to stick or twist after the wham game , unless they are going too back him and bring the Lyon guy in there is no point , Jose did not want a striker in jan as he had a player in mind for the summer , Jose did this at united where they got him everything he wanted and he was still useless

There is no point crying over spilt milk we need to boot Jose and pay him off , we are miles from a cl team right now, we need to bring sess, parrot, cirkin and tanganga through and try and attract some bright talent in the summer and rebuild with a modern young coach, Jose is way way past it
if this is right there is hope that a new chairman, new structure and new coach are possible!

Now the risk of course is Kane trots off but perhaps we will see Joe allow that sale and use the funds to rebuild the football side from DL on down.

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That was post was good news?

Joe has awoken at last from his tomb and is holding people accountable and if that information is true then we as fans will win either way. Either Jose is going to end up being backed and he and Levy together have to turn it around and we win or Jose and therefore Levy fail and we are in for a gigantic shake up. Either way sooner rather than later if this information is true then we win.
I've no idea how much stock to put into that ITK but I agree there will be a shake up one way or another purely because of the stadium. If we were still at whl, 36k seater, then it would be business as usual but we're sitting on a cash cow with giant bills to pay. Letting it slide into mid table mediocrity is not an option.
 
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