The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Conan the Barbarian! 3rd July 2014

[spursfan77]

Shawcross is a good defender actually. Very.

I was lazily going hit disagree but I don't 100% disagree. I think he is a good defender to a point. But so is Dawson. What you don't get with Dawson is the wanton thuggery that shawcross beings with him. Basically I'd rather keep Dawson that sign a player like shawcross. I don't think there's that much between them. If anything shawcross was better a couple of seasons ago and should have moved then. He's stagnated at stoke.

 

[spursfan77]

I'm a bit concerned that the club are having a bit off a knee jerk reaction to only buying foreign based players last summer. We only now seem to be being linked with English based players. I really hope we aren't just ruling out signing players from abroad. That would be a huge mistake.

 

[Northernspurs]

quote="mill, post: 4099622, member: 12790"]if we'redesperate for a cb why we weren't in for martins indi at £8m I'll never know[/quote]
Isnt he a left back

 

[DaSpurs]

I'm a bit concerned that the club are having a bit off a knee jerk reaction to only buying foreign based players last summer. We only now seem to be being linked with English based players. I really hope we aren't just ruling out signing players from abroad. That would be a huge mistake.

Agreed. There is a healthy middle ground between last summer and buying exclusively Prem-experienced players. There are players abroad who could improve us just as much if not more at a given position than any current players in the Prem, and could probably transition very quickly to Poch's system.

 

[mill]

quote="mill, post: 4099622, member: 12790"]if we'redesperate for a cb why we weren't in for martins indi at £8m I'll never know

Isnt he a left back[/quote]

Cb that can play lb

 

[SpurSince57]

I'm a bit concerned that the club are having a bit off a knee jerk reaction to only buying foreign based players last summer. We only now seem to be being linked with English based players. I really hope we aren't just ruling out signing players from abroad. That would be a huge mistake.

As long as it's not just English players, I'm not too fussed. The fact is that it's very difficult to predict just how long a player will take to adapt to the EPL, and we have plenty of evidence for that at Spurs. We really don't want another Benny at LB, for example—maybe people have forgotten just how much he struggled in his first season.

 

[ilikeost]

I'm a bit concerned that the club are having a bit off a knee jerk reaction to only buying foreign based players last summer. We only now seem to be being linked with English based players. I really hope we aren't just ruling out signing players from abroad. That would be a huge mistake.

We should never rule out players from outside of the PL but I think we should try to get players who are established in this league this time arround.

 

[YID016]

Does the player have no say in all this ?

Ofc he has but im sure he wants to leave Southampton now when they are selling all their best players. And if Liverpools bid is accepted but ours isnt you think he will stay? I dont..

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Definitely Nastasic for me, even if it was an initial loan it would be worth doing.
I'd take Evans as well, very underated imo.
The only other player with PL experience I can think of is Alex, the rest are not much of an upgrade if at all, maybe we could look at someone with the characteristics to play in PL like Van Djik at Celtic or Manolas at Olympiakos, I could see them adjusting to PL quickly.

How about we just give Vlad a chance, hes got more technical ability than any of those.

 

[Radiant]

Surprised Colocinni hasn't been mentioned, especially being Argentinian. Had a great season 2 years back, which seems to have been diluted by Newcastles form last season. Plenty of PL experience.

 

[Spursh]

Surprised Colocinni hasn't been mentioned, especially being Argentinian. Had a great season 2 years back, which seems to have been diluted by Newcastles form last season. Plenty of PL experience.

Not good enough IMO

 

[DaSpurs]

How about we just give Vlad a chance, hes got more technical ability than any of those.

For one, we're going to need another RCB anyway as is, and I for one don't think Vlad is ready to be a consistent Prem starter. Highly valuable rotational squad member, but not first choice IMO.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

For one, we're going to need another RCB anyway as is, and I for one don't think Vlad is ready to be a consistent Prem starter. Highly valuable rotational squad member, but not first choice IMO.

He's got a touch of pure class about him IMO, showed against United that he can be superb defensively, needs a chance to show it in a settled, well drilled side. We havent even seen Vertonghen and Vlad play together yet!

 

[DiscoD1882]

Are any of the cbs banded around better than what we currently have if played in a formation the can play in? If not. Why are we wasting money?

Verts and Kabul (he may go injury free this year)

Chiriches and Dawson

Young guns from the u21

I know. I know. It's a very spurs thing to do. But do we really need them. Spend money where it is needed. Left back and a kick arse winger.

 

[whitelanefever]

How about we just give Vlad a chance, hes got more technical ability than any of those.

Not disagreeing with you about technical ability.. what I am saying is we're looking at CB's regardless & if we are then that's who I would go for, the thing is if we presume Verthongen is going to be a starting CB then we have to look at what works as a defensive pairing & for me they are to similar to work, they both like to press, which means you can't have a pair that both's natural instincts is to press.. you need 1 of them to drop off in that scenario.. then you have a lack of areal commandment with Jan & Vlad as heading isn't eithers strongest point, then if we are going to be playing a highline we need at least 1 CB with more pace than Jan & Vlad have.
I like Chiriches & yes technically he has more ability than Nastasic however as a CB's first priority is defending then Nastasic is far better at defending than Vlad hands down & Van Djik has way more technical ability than Vlad & better in the air & quicker. If we are bringing in Cb then we have to look at what will work best & compliment with who we have at the club already.

 

[DaSpurs]

He's got a touch of pure class about him IMO, showed against United that he can be superb defensively, needs a chance to show it in a settled, well drilled side.

I rate him rather highly, but I just don't think he's ready to be first choice. Very cultured and quick CB, but not enough fight, gets burned in one-on-one too easily, and not great in the air. He does appear to have added some serious bulk over the summer though, so I do respect his ambition and drive.

 

[dondo]

He might not reject them, but that wasnt the point. He could reject them though. Anyway? He apparently wants to play for Poch so if he truly does, he'd reject Liverpool.

Most players in a choice between us and liverpool would choose them especially now they are in the CLnot to mention that they are probably going to be 80m richer soon too

 

[spursfan77]

As long as it's not just English players, I'm not too fussed. The fact is that it's very difficult to predict just how long a player will take to adapt to the EPL, and we have plenty of evidence for that at Spurs. We really don't want another Benny at LB, for example—maybe people have forgotten just how much he struggled in his first season.

I agree re benny. He really struggled with the league and then had a career threatening injury. The fact he came back as well as he did was quite amazing.

The thing is, all the players from last summer now have a season under their belts, which is a major plus so we should basically sign the best players we can. English based or not.

Our recent transfer model has been buying players with only 1 year left on their contracts at reduced prices. Eg. Eriksen and chadli. I wouldn't be surprised if we took that route again, hence being linked with konoplyanka or whatever his name is.

 

[noiseboy55]

I'm a bit concerned that the club are having a bit off a knee jerk reaction to only buying foreign based players last summer. We only now seem to be being linked with English based players. I really hope we aren't just ruling out signing players from abroad. That would be a huge mistake.

you have to remember the homegrown rule though, if our English players are moving on we need to keep the same balance. Also signing foreign english based players who are used to the premier league reduces the adaptation phase and allows the team to hit the ground running.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I rate him rather highly, but I just don't think he's ready to be first choice. Very cultured and quick CB, but not enough fight, gets burned in one-on-one too easily, and not great in the air. He does appear to have added some serious bulk over the summer though, so I do respect his ambition and drive.

This is all he needed to do.