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And I'd be willing to bet that there wouldn't be too many complaints if you had those 'outs' spot-on
I would be sad about Soldado, but the rest…...
And I'd be willing to bet that there wouldn't be too many complaints if you had those 'outs' spot-on
I'd also be sad to see Naughton go - he's been with us a fair while, and is one of the better back-up RBs in the league, and could easily start for a mid-table team. But if we're bringing in Yedlin, he'll need to go.I would be sad about Soldado, but the rest…...
I'd also be sad to see Naughton go - he's been with us a fair while, and is one of the better back-up RBs in the league, and could easily start for a mid-table team. But if we're bringing in Yedlin, he'll need to go.
One of the better back-ups = average starterSorry mate, but he is not one of the better right back in the league. The lad is very average. I obviously wish him luck in the future, but we need to move him on to create opportunities for younger players, much in the same way we need to move on players like Jenas and Defoe imo
I would be sad about Soldado, but the rest…...
Parker i'll give you without doubt but I doubt Pinky considers him old guard. Huddlestone and Livermore I don't agree with, both were short on quality and Tom wasn't big on tenacity most of the time.
A big squad overhaul was always gonna cause issues but the process started by AVB and being continued by Poch in terms of mentality is the right one. We may have bought badly in terms of mentality but suggesting we may have faired better with the likes of the two you mention is wide of the mark.
We needed a strong manager with personality and crucially the board standing firm and backing his decisions to the hilt. Thankfully that's started to happen.
With all due respect Pinky, Park was a talented squad player with a tremendous attitude, never (allegedly) complained, would dip in and out of the team almost seamlessly when called upon and worked his balls off on and off the ball. I don't think Lennon has ever been in that bracket even in his more exciting formative years.
I used to defend him but outside of the (pinch of salt) ITK, a big earner and sporadic performer with an alleged questionable attitude isn't what we need. I'm glad the old guard have been moved on (Daws, Defoe, Hudd, Keane, soon to be BAE) as they represented a talented but flawed group of individuals and thankfully Poch (and other managers before him) are only interested in those who are willing to embrace his way of hard work on and off the pitch. ANY senior player who doesn't embrace that should be moved on if possible as soon as possible.
more from ali z, sounds a bit like summing up paper rumours but anyway: As for players out a few clubs have enquired about Soldado, none on Ade, a firm bid place for Lamela (not accepted) interest in two mentioned plus Townsend and Pauli, none in Kaboom or Capoue.
The question is not quality, but rather mentality. I agree that on paper players such as Paulinho and Capoue looked better at the time than Thudd and Livermore, but it was the combination of so many loose parts without a core that led to our demise. I think we should have sold one, but not both. I'd absolutely have kept Livermore as he was clearly on an upward trajectory, proven himself a Prem-capable player, and I think absolutely would have fared better than Capoue has done. I think we allowed it so early because Poch retained hope of bringing in Schneiderlin and had yet to fully assess Capoue. As is, we got a bit unlucky with Sandro not being fully fit (of course), Schneiderlin not working out, and finally Capoue falling out of the fold for whatever reason.
So while I don't suggest we would have fared better had we kept both of them, I do think we've seen the evidence of what happens when you completely disregard squad mentality and chemistry for the sake of adding quality on paper. We have given far too little consideration to these respects, as well as compatibility, with too much towards potential and quality and as a result we have suffered for it. We've only just now turned it around, or else the Spurs Chat section would still be flooded with comments pertaining to it.
Thank fuck.
He will tear this league up when he finally gets up his best.
Optimistic perhaps...
But I have such high hopes for this guy that I'm glad it doesnt seem like we are entertaining any idea of selling him before his full quality has been shown...
Agree entirely with Poch that that goal was Lennon's fault. Absolutely no question, and Lennon should have done better homework. I'm from fucking Alabama and I know Hazard loves give and go's into the box. You absolutely cannot allow him to run freely after making a short pass right behind you into the box.
As for relevance, I agree and I do hope we manage to part ways. Lennon has been a caricature of himself ever since AVB flipped him and Bale, and I think he could use a change in scenery. Much obliged to him for his servitude over a very long period of time, but our system has moved on and now so should he.
The fact he didn't accept criticism for that goal really irks me. We were doing so well up until that point.
Livermore has a decent mentality and would make a useful squad player and I agree the mentality hasn't been right but I think it was less to do with who we shipped out and more to do with who we brought in from a mentality point of view. We lost Bale remember, just having him on the pitch was massive in every regard.
I don't think Livermore is as good as you make out, I liked him, but he was a jack of all trades master of none and his mentality wasn't enough to make up for this. I also think he wanted regular footy which he wasn't gonna get at Spurs.
We need a squad of hungry, talented footballers and anyone who doesn't fulfill that should be moved on if possible. I'll give you Huddlestone was hungry but not in the way you mention.
Wow. 10. That's not even enough for a starting 11 by my calculations.
Thanks for whoring.
You sir, are a math genius!
When did I say Huddlestone was hungry? I don't think he was ever hungry for improvement, but he did provided solidity. Nonetheless, I'd have sold him as we did. Was simply not quick enough for what we needed per our own aspirations.
I also never said Livermore was particular quality, but I rather said that I think he'd have fared better than his replacement has. I stand by that remark, and especially because of that inclusion of mentality upgrade. It's no coincidence he was never turned over by anyone, and his replacements were crushed relentlessly by the top sides in the league last season.
Bale was a massive loss and that absence entirely killed our offensive flow, but I don't think he was as vital to our mentality as was say Parker. He inspired belief, but not resolve against the odds and will to fight.
Livermore didn't play in the team that got mauled on occasion last season. Do you think he'd have made any difference?
So outside of Parker who we agree on (but was past his best) who else in terms of old school players did we miss? Who would've made the difference in terms of mentality? Outside of the obvious ones (King, VDV)?
I have a feeling that both Kaboul and Ade will sit out their contracts. BAE parts 2 & 3.more from ali z, sounds a bit like summing up paper rumours but anyway: As for players out a few clubs have enquired about Soldado, none on Ade, a firm bid place for Lamela (not accepted) interest in two mentioned plus Townsend and Pauli, none in Kaboom or Capoue.
That's exactly my point that Livermore wasn't there, and yes I think he would've. I don't think he'd have changed the results as they were marked in the table, but I do think he would have at least prevented the capitulations.
So other than Parker (and I agree he was certainly past his best, I don't fault us for replacing him but I fault us for entirely removing that core without any replacements with mind towards mentality), I'd have kept Livermore and would have tried to keep Daws over Kaboul. I think he'd have stayed to fight for a place and rotate with the squad, and couldn't have done any worse than Kaboul did earlier this season. Add the additional mentality and leadership contribution, and it's no question for me.