The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 30th August

[BENNO]

What do you think the reaction would have been to us signing Richarlison this window? And that was a Richarlison who actually scored for Everton and looked a threat. If Richi is our Kane replacement/alternative, then it means we absolutely failed last year and we've also failed this year. There's no real way to sugar coat that we'll be 20-30 goals a season lighter than we were.

I would happily bet we will score as many, if not more goals this season than we scored last season with Kane. We will also have a better goal difference.

 

[T-Bone]

I think we all need to take a breath and try and look at the window objectively

In my opinion the most important thing this window was solving the priority positions with good recruitments and not taking a step backwards. Early days, but Maddison/VDV/Vicario all look like great recruits so far. If you look at last summer, we got three great recruits in (Bissouma/Udogie/Romero) and if we do that every summer we'll be laughing long term.

The second most important thing was clearing the deadwood. This is where we have failed. Only Winks out on a perm, and Spence/Rodon on loans is shocking. Hopefully we solve that in the final few days as it seems like there is still interest out there but I'm personally not feeling that confident.

We do still have to solve for the attacking position, and of course we need another quality centreback. I do think we have reason to be concerned if we don't get these resolved. What I would say though is we cannot afford to enter panic buy scenario - buying the wrong player here will be catastrophic as its just someone we have to offload in the future. When I see names like Wout Faes or Maguire (agent driven nonsense) these are the exact type of transfers we shouldn't do and we should just bring Phillips or Dorrington in. I've got to be honest, personally I have my concerns about both Brennan Johnson and Gallagher (if this is even an option) but at least we've been following them for a long time so we should know what we're getting ourselves into.

Fati would have been a bonus signing. Would it have been nice? Yes. Would it have solved a long term problem? Not without an option it wouldn't... Personally I would rather put the near £10m he would have apparently cost us towards getting out the deadwood so that next window we can be focused on a pure build.

It's been a pretty good window, the issue is that we needed a great window because of the squad mess we have.

No Window you leave without a CF can be seen as any other way than a complete disaster. Richarlison is not in any way shape or form good enough. His first touch is Sissoko level appalling. Son has regressed massively the last 12 months and imo can no longer be relied upon. We have signed 1 CB when everything man and there dog knows we needed at least 2 and maybe 3. We sold the best CF in the world a month ago with no replacement lined up. That beggers belief that a board can be that incompetent or arrogant. This same board will sack a manager after a bad run of results. We are headed for a massive fall as a club and that will be this boards legacy.

Hopefully get some ITK / news today that a couple of real quality players are arriving. Fati would have had every fan excited even if it was just a year he may got us goals and assist to get us into a decent league position and help us push on.

 

[rebrab]

What do you think the reaction would have been to us signing Richarlison this window? And that was a Richarlison who actually scored for Everton and looked a threat. If Richi is our Kane replacement/alternative, then it means we absolutely failed last year and we've also failed this year. There's no real way to sugar coat that we'll be 20-30 goals a season lighter than we were.

I'm not going to say that it's not a good and valid point, because it is, but the way I'm looking at it that was last windows mistake. It is exactly why I'm worried we will make a bad/panicked transfer decision in the last couple of days because we'll be in this situation again next year.

 

[sidford]

POK saying Scarlett to Ipswich on loan.

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[ntmac82]

We have added creativity to the side but unfortunately lack a goal scorer. Son seems to have lost his edge and Richi just doesn't seem up to the task. We need to sign a forward and a centre back and clear the decks. If that doesn't happen then the transfer window has been average imho.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

There’s simply no justifying this window overall, as it stands (Both In/Out)

 

[kd2000]

I know there is a lot of angst flying around. I said it before the season, I'm not to bothered where we finish this season as long as the football entertains me after years of yawnball.
So far, I have been entertained so I am very relaxed and not overly concerned with our business so far, which if I am honest, has been ok. Do I want better than ok?, yes.
But I am content because of the football I have seen so far.

 

[RJR1949]

What do you think the reaction would have been to us signing Richarlison this window? And that was a Richarlison who actually scored for Everton and looked a threat. If Richi is our Kane replacement/alternative, then it means we absolutely failed last year and we've also failed this year. There's no real way to sugar coat that we'll be 20-30 goals a season lighter than we were.

Rob I’ll donate £20 at the end of the season if we haven’t scored more league goals this season than last.

 

[ardiles&villa]

Can w please have some positive itk

 

[mil1lion]

The window started well. Then again so did Oppenheimer while they were just experimenting.

 

[T-Bone]

POK saying Scarlett to Ipswich on loan.

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Would rather keep Scarlett and play him ahead of Richarlison. Looked good the other night.

 

[rawhide]

The window started well. Then again so did Oppenheimer while they were just experimenting.

Levy “I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”

 

[Guntz]

POK saying Scarlett to Ipswich on loan.

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That's a quality loan for him.

 

[Locotoro]

Would rather keep Scarlett and play him ahead of Richarlison. Looked good the other night.

does that not lend itself to the idea that we are readying another attacker?
If Veliz is not ready that would leave us with limited options otherwise

 

[wrd]

I'm not going to say that it's not a good and valid point, because it is, but the way I'm looking at it that was last windows mistake. It is exactly why I'm worried we will make a bad/panicked transfer decision in the last couple of days because we'll be in this situation again next year.

I agree with your assessment on the window, If we make the wrong choice now, we have yet another bad decision to move out the way next year. let's suffer the consequences of our mistakes now. let past mistakes have their day, don't try and rush a remedy and make thing's worse over the long run. We'll be better for it.

I know there's an argument to say, well why can't we make a good choice now, I'd argue that it would come down to luck given the circumstances that the decision would be made in. It would be made for the wrong reasons.

 

[srups34]

POK saying Scarlett to Ipswich on loan.

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That’s an excellent move for Scarlett.

 

[luRRka]

POK saying Scarlett to Ipswich on loan.

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Also said he's likely to extend his contract as well

 

[BENNO]

There’s simply no justifying this window overall, as it stands (Both In/Out)

As the window hasn't closed yet, it makes that sentence pretty redundant , it could look great by the end, it could look pretty o.k and, God forbid, it could actually look worse. Judging it now is a bit pointless.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

As the window hasn't closed yet, it makes that sentence pretty redundant , it could look great by the end, it could look pretty o.k and, God forbid, it could actually look worse. Judging it now is a bit pointless.

As is those hinting it’s been a success, due to previous signings.

 

[BENNO]

As is those hinting it’s been a success, due to previous signings.

Yes i agree, it applies to any judgment of the window until it has closed.