The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th August

[Hotspur88]

As long as that second one isn’t Maguire.

Likely Tosin with Fulham very interested in Reguilon.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Likely Tosin with Fulham very interested in Reguilon.

But Tosin doesn’t want us according to recent intel as per discussion on this site? Has this changed?

 

[funkycoldmedina]

There's no panic. It's about future proofing ourselves now or kicking the can down the road, and looking at it in future windows. Problem with option 2 is that it will limit who we can get in at that point, and it could well limit us to only being able to bring in HG options. Right now we have two players that Ange believes will strengthen his options that are both HG and that are both obtainable whilst hopefully also moving players on that are not wanted.

We kicked the cans down the road with all the loans under Conte and look how that's affecting us now with a bloated squad. Ange got signed up to a squad building 4 year contract so it makes sense to take a holistic approach

 

[keithtighe93]

If we can get Johnson & Tosin in, and shift a few, it'll be a good end to the window from where we are now.

If you said that to me when HK left, I'd have been disgusted, but we are where we are.

The good start is covering up the reality of the situation a little bit, but at least we'll have CB cover and a wide player with pace

 

[HobbitSpur]

It’s amazing how many people on here are so happy that Ange is appearing to have the final say on the players that HE wants








That is unless they are players THEY don’t want.

 

[gazzeh]

It's not really panic with a few days left, if anything it's actually forward planning. It's quite refreshing to hear the new approach to transfers and also great that FP & DL etc are addressing a potential future issue now. It's also changing all the time depending on who stays/leaves. FP has also put in an incredible amount of work behind the scenes with the youth and the club are confident it will reap the rewards so that we don't need to pay £50m (ish) for a HG player. FWIW, BJ now looking very very likely.

Filthy sod.

 

[SuperLuka]

It’s amazing how many people on here are so happy that Ange is appearing to have the final say on the players that HE wants








That is unless they are players THEY don’t want.

You can be happy that Ange has the final say and not agree with his every decision at the same time

 

[mil1lion]

Maguire doesn't solve our homegrown issue. Our homegrown issue isn't down to not having enough quantity. It's about not having enough quality. This will be more important when we get back in Europe and need a quality squad in depth. To fix our homegrown we need to be signing quality young prospects. Johnson is at least a young player with potential. He makes a lot more sense for the homegrown quota.

 

[fecka]

Maguire doesn't solve our homegrown issue. Our homegrown issue isn't down to not having enough quantity. It's about not having enough quality. This will be more important when we get back in Europe and need a quality squad in depth. To fix our homegrown we need to be signing quality young prospects. Johnson is at least a young player with potential. He makes a lot more sense for the homegrown quota.

As much as I'm against Maguire, 1. The information is we've been offered him, not that we're signing him. 2. He's better than Dier and as good as, if not better, than Sanchez (even in this system) and HG.
We'd be swapping two surplus players that are non-HG for an HG meaning that we'd have more room to sign quality no matter their HG status next season.

Current HG players over 21 in the squad are:
Forster
Whiteman
Austin
Tanganga (Likely to leave)
Davies
Spence (Likely to leave)
Skipp
Sess
Maddison

With Tanganga and Spence most likely leaving we'd have 7 HG. I'd assume one of Austin or Whiteman will be going too which leaves us at 6. If Johnson comes in we're back at 7 and with Maguire or Tosin we'd have 8. Then I wouldn't be surprised to see Sess and/or Davies leaving next season. HG is definitely a factor for us and if I understood @Trix 's ITK correctly, we'd rightly like to make sure this doesn't become a larger issue than it already is in the short-term while banking on our Academy to produce in the long term.

Once again, I'm not advocating for Maguire but I can absolutely see why getting two decent or genuinely good HG players in would be high up on the priority list.

 

[StanSpur]

I'd be happy with Johnson as Kanes replacement in the front three for now. Brings genuine pace (fastest in the league last season) to replace that weapon that we appear to have lost in Sonny and will be necessary in the Ange style. Not a direct goal replacement but then who would be (and no i am not jumping on the orban bandwagon after 6 months of a career). Maguire is surely nonsense, too old, too slow, too expensive and too much of a stick to have the club beaten with. We dont need to be signing anyone we are going to spend the next 4 years fighting to get rid of each window. Tosin is the obvious one for the backup role but he seems keen to go elsewhere so i can see langlet coming on deadline day. We aren't going to fix the squad in one window but, looking at the age of the squad now it is like early Poch when we have youth on our side and 3/4 windows to build the quality for a good push at CL or even the Prem. the back 5 are in a good place but need reserves and competition, the midfield is pretty much set already but the front three (so long our strength) is now the focus for the next 12 months in my opinion as the only place on the field we can make quality improvements to the first 11.

 

[mil1lion]

As much as I'm against Maguire, 1. The information is we've been offered him, not that we're signing him. 2. He's better than Dier and as good as, if not better, than Sanchez (even in this system) and HG.
We'd be swapping two surplus players that are non-HG for an HG meaning that we'd have more room to sign quality no matter their HG status next season.

Current HG players over 21 in the squad are:
Forster
Whiteman
Austin
Tanganga (Likely to leave)
Davies
Spence (Likely to leave)
Skipp
Sess
Maddison

With Tanganga and Spence most likely leaving we'd have 7 HG. I'd assume one of Austin or Whiteman will be going too which leaves us at 6. If Johnson comes in we're back at 7 and with Maguire or Tosin we'd have 8. Then I wouldn't be surprised to see Sess and/or Davies leaving next season. HG is definitely a factor for us and if I understood @Trix 's ITK correctly, we'd rightly like to make sure this doesn't become a larger issue than it already is in the short-term while banking on our Academy to produce in the long term.

Once again, I'm not advocating for Maguire but I can absolutely see why getting two decent or genuinely good HG players in would be high up on the priority list.

Tosin makes a lot more sense though as he at least fits the manager. At the end of the day we got Ange on a 4 year contract. We need to show the faith and only sign players who fits his system. There is no benefit to signing Maguire. We might as well keep one of the homegrown mentioned than sign him. Even Tanganga fits the high line better.

 

[fecka]

Tosin makes a lot more sense though as he at least fits the manager. At the end of the day we got Ange on a 4 year contract. We need to show the faith and only sign players who fits his system. There is no benefit to signing Maguire. We might as well keep one of the homegrown mentioned than sign him. Even Tanganga fits the high line better.

I don't see why Ange would be interested, but IIRC he's stated that a player he doesn't approve of won't be coming in and no one is better at judging who's a better fit for his teams than he is. He's already made players who looked woeful under previous managers look a lot better for us so I'll happily put my personal feelings aside for this one (still praying it's Tosin and not Maguire though). I'm not convinced by Johnson either but like it or not we're currently not in a position where we can sign anyone we'd like without having to compromise somewhere else if we'd like a squad of 25 (which is a discussion in itself but for another thread).

 

[muppetman]

I took the Maguire news to mean he was offered and to demonstrate that we aren’t the only club trying to be creative in rebalancing the squad.

 

[freeeki]

Morning all.

After a lovely few days away, I see there’s lots of activity in the ITK thread.

With the Kane money in the bank and the transfer deadline approaching, I’m excited to read through and see which absolute worldies we’ve been linked w…

Maguire.

 

[thehipster]

Isn't this Negotiation 101?
If a club (Fulham) thinks we have put all our eggs in one basket (Tosin) then they know they can drive the price up by a few more millions. Maybe many more millions?
If it is publicly known that we are also considering another egg (Maguire) then at least this gives us leverage in the mind games department.
Hopefully, we don't get too clever with things and tie ourselves in knots.

 

[iddebu52]

Isn't this Negotiation 101?
If a club (Fulham) thinks we have put all our eggs in one basket (Tosin) then they know they can drive the price up by a few more millions. Maybe many more millions?
If it is publicly known that we are also considering another egg (Maguire) then at least this gives us leverage in the mind games department.
Hopefully, we don't get too clever with things and tie ourselves in knots.

Eggs in one basket? And what do we know from the outside?

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Maguire doesn't solve our homegrown issue. Our homegrown issue isn't down to not having enough quantity. It's about not having enough quality. This will be more important when we get back in Europe and need a quality squad in depth. To fix our homegrown we need to be signing quality young prospects. Johnson is at least a young player with potential. He makes a lot more sense for the homegrown quota.

Great post.

Signing Maguire would be us just signing HG deadwood.

 

[N17-77]

As much as I'm against Maguire, 1. The information is we've been offered him, not that we're signing him. 2. He's better than Dier and as good as, if not better, than Sanchez (even in this system) and HG.
We'd be swapping two surplus players that are non-HG for an HG meaning that we'd have more room to sign quality no matter their HG status next season.

Current HG players over 21 in the squad are:
Forster
Whiteman
Austin
Tanganga (Likely to leave)
Davies
Spence (Likely to leave)
Skipp
Sess
Maddison

With Tanganga and Spence most likely leaving we'd have 7 HG. I'd assume one of Austin or Whiteman will be going too which leaves us at 6. If Johnson comes in we're back at 7 and with Maguire or Tosin we'd have 8. Then I wouldn't be surprised to see Sess and/or Davies leaving next season. HG is definitely a factor for us and if I understood @Trix 's ITK correctly, we'd rightly like to make sure this doesn't become a larger issue than it already is in the short-term while banking on our Academy to produce in the long term.

Once again, I'm not advocating for Maguire but I can absolutely see why getting two decent or genuinely good HG players in would be high up on the priority list.

Harvey White and Brooklyn Lyons-Foster also both over 21.

 

[piedpiper]

Likely Tosin with Fulham very interested in Reguilon.

Yeah that's one way of getting players off the books.... I could live with that type of an arrangement. Suits all parties ( clubs & players) perhaps Tosin not so much based on reports he wants Monaco.

 

[RuskyM]

It really wasn’t that long ago United fans were sweating on Maguire’s fitness before the Europa League final. He’s far better than his narrative would have you believe (and how many players have United made look shite in recent years? All bar Rashford and sometimes Fernandes & Casemiro?). Wages would be my concern but he’s a smart, talented defender.