The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th August

[Yid-ol]

With that in mind, I would have thought we'd made Raya an absolute priority and necessity rather than moving onto plan B with Vic so early in the window.

But I guess it was just as important to get a goalkeeper in place for pre season.

It's been said Vicario was our main choice, plus with how they have dropped the price for arsenal shows they were holding out for too much with us as right to not do it.

 

[bomberH]

Im sure he has input mate, .

Anyone else read this in Ange’s voice?

 

[nicdic]

Ange is more than capable of picking players himself, think he's shown that.

The big thing though is the club being clear and on the same page, which it does finally seem is the case.

It's also far too easy Trix, and a bit lazy to just present that as Levy's issue. We had loads of ITK at the time that Poch was turning down good options, because they weren't the one he wanted, and we had coaches like Jose and Conte who broadly wanted to spend ALL THE MONEY. Levy has got it right at many times, when he's let a DOF cook.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Something else to add. Ange hasn't identified or asked for any of the players that have come in. He's told the club what positions he thinks need strengthening and what those players will need to be able to do. The club has then presented him with a list for each position and he's yay or neighed them. The powers that be have then made the final decision which ones they could do.

When you hear journalists saying about Madison for example "Ange really pushed fo him, he was his first choice", the fact is he was all but certainly coming anyway regardless of who came in, and they just wanted the gaffer to have the final say.

This is me eating a bit of humble pie here, because this is how things should be done and I've been slagging Levy all Summer. I will of course caveat this with.... It's took him 22 years to work it out and it's only one window( that isn't even over).

That’s so refreshing to hear and as I’ve said this summer has felt different for once, does seem like some are slow learners and Levy after 22 years might just be learning how to better operate but as you say one window doesn’t make it stick.

As for the other ITK let’s bloody hope Maguire is not considered, he’d be worse than Dier in a high line, the guy turns like an oil tanker. Sancho though yes please but that ain’t happening.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Something else to add. Ange hasn't identified or asked for any of the players that have come in. He's told the club what positions he thinks need strengthening and what those players will need to be able to do. The club has then presented him with a list for each position and he's yay or neighed them. The powers that be have then made the final decision which ones they could do.

When you hear journalists saying about Madison for example "Ange really pushed fo him, he was his first choice", the fact is he was all but certainly coming anyway regardless of who came in, and they just wanted the gaffer to have the final say.

This is me eating a bit of humble pie here, because this is how things should be done and I've been slagging Levy all Summer. I will of course caveat this with.... It's took him 22 years to work it out and it's only one window( that isn't even over).

That is exactly how he worked at Celtic bar a few Asian market gems which he recommended personally.

Fingers crossed for these next few days. Would be so nice to end a window now being left short in any position for the first time like ever under Levy,

For that we need minimum another fast CB and ST, dream would be: CB, RW, ST + CM(only if Lo Celso goes)

 

[ButchCassidy]

Something else to add. Ange hasn't identified or asked for any of the players that have come in. He's told the club what positions he thinks need strengthening and what those players will need to be able to do. The club has then presented him with a list for each position and he's yay or neighed them. The powers that be have then made the final decision which ones they could do.

When you hear journalists saying about Madison for example "Ange really pushed fo him, he was his first choice", the fact is he was all but certainly coming anyway regardless of who came in, and they just wanted the gaffer to have the final say.

This is me eating a bit of humble pie here, because this is how things should be done and I've been slagging Levy all Summer. I will of course caveat this with.... It's took him 22 years to work it out and it's only one window( that isn't even over).

This is broadly what I had hoped hiring Paratici and all of his structural changes behind the scenes would lead to - if we’ve actually pulled it off despite everything else going on then that’s fairly impressive (although doesn’t excuse how much of a mess we were previously).

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Not in a million years would Ange "ok" Maguire.

What do you need Ange?

A centre back with pace.

Maguire?

Mate..

 

[HildoSpur]

My memory may be wrong, but wasn't Ange interested in Sancho according to some ITK at the start of the window? Hojbjerg + Cash for Sancho would be a good move for both parties.

Please God no Sancho is a total donkey and a total disaster of a signing for them. He has shown absolutely nothing for Utd or England for that matter, total waste of space and is slow as treacle to boot. Maguire makes zero sense as well.

 

[SSC]

ITK from Trix makes sense re HG players. Im no George's Cross chest beater, but we have slowly seen a reduction of English players in our first XI since Poch (when we regularly had 5/6 players in the England squad). Currently of guaranteed starters you've got Maddison and maybe Skipp?

HG rules aside it would be nice to have a sense of a British spine in the team, or at least the potential. If we have genuine confidence that there are some realistic prospects coming through, then signing 1/2 players that can contribute to the team/squad for a year or two whilst they emerge makes sense. Helps that they tend to retain transfer value within the EPL as well given their HG quota value alongside actual ability.

 

[Japhet]

I thought Ange turned down Max Killman because he lacked pace. He'd be on a fraction of Maguire's wages and would leave him for dead in a foot race. How TF can we be interested in Maguire but not Killman, if HG is actually such an issue? Quite unbelievable.

 

[SushiMane]

Something else to add. Ange hasn't identified or asked for any of the players that have come in. He's told the club what positions he thinks need strengthening and what those players will need to be able to do. The club has then presented him with a list for each position and he's yay or neighed them. The powers that be have then made the final decision which ones they could do.

When you hear journalists saying about Madison for example "Ange really pushed fo him, he was his first choice", the fact is he was all but certainly coming anyway regardless of who came in, and they just wanted the gaffer to have the final say.

This is me eating a bit of humble pie here, because this is how things should be done and I've been slagging Levy all Summer. I will of course caveat this with.... It's took him 22 years to work it out and it's only one window( that isn't even over).

first paragraph is in line with how Celtic's recruitment was run when Ange was there.

 

[worcestersauce]

Cheers Trix, I've been posting I thought this is the way we're working now but it's so different to what our last coach was like that it takes some getting used to for us to understand it.

 

[Frank Blank]

I thought Ange turned down Max Killman because he lacked pace. He'd be on a fraction of Maguire's wages and would leave him for dead in a foot race. How TF can we be interested in Maguire but not Killman, if HG is actually such an issue? Quite unbelievable.

I rather put the prawn sandwich maker into the squad - if they were HG - rather than bring Slabhead in.

 

[spursfan77]

I thought Ange turned down Max Killman because he lacked pace. He'd be on a fraction of Maguire's wages and would leave him for dead in a foot race. How TF can we be interested in Maguire but not Killman, if HG is actually such an issue? Quite unbelievable.

Being offered the chance to sign Maguire and wanting to sign him are two different things and I suspect we won’t do the latter. It was always going to come around again because they are desperate to get him out the club.

 

[THOWIG]

Im sure he has input mate, this was just how it was put to me this afternoon. Fact is if he's looking at and analysing those players put to him and he's agreeing to them that's good enough for me.

Very similar to how Bielsa works/ed.

 

[ClonedFromSandrosBeard]

It's been said Vicario was our main choice, plus with how they have dropped the price for arsenal shows they were holding out for too much with us as right to not do it.

May not be nice to hear but this is possibly coming from the player (Raya) seeing Arsenal as a more preferable destination and Brentford looking to keep things amicable than them holding out for 'too much'.

 

[robotsonic]

May not be nice to hear but this is possibly coming from the player (Raya) seeing Arsenal as a more preferable destination and Brentford looking to keep things amicable than them holding out for 'too much'.

Everything at the time was that Raya was gagging to come here, Brentford thought he was worth more than he was, and we moved on. Arsenal didn't even enter the picture for him until weeks later, so I doubt that this scenario is true.

 

[NYSpur]

ITK from Trix makes sense re HG players. Im no George's Cross chest beater, but we have slowly seen a reduction of English players in our first XI since Poch (when we regularly had 5/6 players in the England squad). Currently of guaranteed starters you've got Maddison and maybe Skipp?

HG rules aside it would be nice to have a sense of a British spine in the team, or at least the potential. If we have genuine confidence that there are some realistic prospects coming through, then signing 1/2 players that can contribute to the team/squad for a year or two whilst they emerge makes sense. Helps that they tend to retain transfer value within the EPL as well given their HG quota value alongside actual ability.

Yes, we currently have Skipp, Maddison, Forster, Davies, and Sessegnon as likely HG to be rostered this year and you have to figure that Sessegnon, Forster, and Davies are not here for the long-term. Add to that Sarr and Udogie as U21, and Sarr ages out next year, so we need to start planning. We can only roster 17 foreigners, so to get to 25 we need to add 1 more HG and/or U21, but if we are planning for the future we really need to be thinking about homegrown instead.

This also assumes that Tanganga and Spence will either be sold or loaned and don't have futures here. For the future we have Veliz as U21 and Phillips (CB) as homegrown and U21. I am sure we would prefer not to use either of them this year if we can help it.

 

[Derryank]

Very very interesting ITK and in particular processes and decision making by our manager.

What a breath of fresh air.

Shift the unwanted quota 4/5 outas and a CB along with Johnson...superb window.

Squad NEEDED a rebuild

 

[doom]

Seeing how Ange has been putting on experienced player's to hold a lead such as Hojberg and Davies I wouldn't be surprised that Maguire could be of interest plus he is home grown. Whether Ange wants him is another matter. Dier is not home grown.