The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 16th July 2015

[KenTHFC]

????? What Kane stuff that's actually bugging me what it could be lol

I think they had a fight, can't remember really I'm sure someone here knows

 

[NorthernMonkey]

Isn't that what Bentaleb is?

I'm not really sure what Bentaleb is! In exactly the same way as I can't work out exactly what Dembele's role should be/or is either.

 

[danielneeds]

Ah, the classic "SC-member convincing themselves that a transfer is a good idea after running out of other options/it becoming clear the club will pursue it despite it not being a very good transfer" post!

Not the first one of the summer, plenty in the Toby thread.

We do have this amazing ability to warp our own rational minds around to thinking in an unnatural fashion just in order to try and be excited by a transfer.

McCarthy would be one of the most uninspiring big money transfers in the history of the club - a reasonably good player who has never achieved anything, highly likely never will, who will effectively block the progress of our younger/established players whilst not doing the DM job as well as a truly specialist player who might justify a transfer would.

I see little difference between him and Stambouli (who has had effectively zero chance to make the position his own and has all but wasted a year of his career at Spurs) short of James costing an absolute minimum of £10m more and having shitter hair.

McCarthy has over 300 PL games at the age of 24, Stambouli has about 5, so there is definitely a difference in the two of them.

As for being uninspiring, every decent team needs water carriers, players who know their job, are reliable and give it to the match winners in the side. Nothing wrong with a bit of that...

 

[SpartanSpur]

Frankly we should be able to sign a pretty serious DM for cirica. £20m - remember this would be our 3rd highest transfer fee of all time (as far as i remember).

Does make me wonder if we will regret not going for Geoffrey Kondogbia who went for the sort of money being talked about.

Kramer and maybe even William Carvalho could also be a similar price range, but we have no idea how much their clubs truly want.

Club seems pretty convinced in JM, I'd back them here, not like signing him would generate any additional match day income or shirt sales, or bolster our fan base in a foreign country.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I'm not really sure what Bentaleb is! In exactly the same way as I can't work out exactly what Dembele's role should be/or is either.

IMO Bentaleb has the potential to be such a good all round player that he will be pretty hard to pigeon hole into traditional roles.

 

[talkshowhost86]

To be honest if the club think McCarthy is the right man for the job I'm not overly concerned what we pay.

For me it is the single most important position for us to sort out this Summer so if it takes 20m to do it then fine. I reckon it'll end up being worth it in the long run.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I'm not really sure what Bentaleb is! In exactly the same way as I can't work out exactly what Dembele's role should be/or is either.

Given the chance I think he'll be a much more forward thinking player than we've seen from him up till now. I think he can be box to box and get a few goals for us as well as providing a bit of grunt defensively.

All depends on who he plays with though.

 

[SonicSarr]

I'm not really sure what Bentaleb is! In exactly the same way as I can't work out exactly what Dembele's role should be/or is either.

I think he's box to box but was playing a bit deeper out of necessity.

 

[AX-Spur]

McCarthy has over 300 PL games at the age of 24, Stambouli has about 5, so there is definitely a difference in the two of them.

As for being uninspiring, every decent team needs water carriers, players who know their job, are reliable and give it to the match winners in the side. Nothing wrong with a bit of that...

No, I dont think he has...

 

[Blackrat1299]

Come on- a nice new shiny,surprise, exciting signing for my Birthday would be lovely.

Whens that January?...................lol

 

[panoma]

If ITK is correct and we end up losing Azza and Andros, that would leave us with Eriksen, Chadli, Lamela as our only options for the 3 attacking midfield slots (with maybe Dembele at a push) ... i gues theres Pritch as well, but we dont know yet whether he'll be loaned etc this year

we definitely need reinforcements if the two speedies go

Pritchard will also be in our first team squad this season. We also have Onomah training with the first team this summer, and it might be that Poch think he is ready for the first team.

As you said we still have Dembele, and im sure we will buy a pacy wide forward/striker that also could fill in.

Aaron was at loan last season and Andros didnt contribute much last season either so its not like it will be very hard to replace the pair though.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Another day closer to the transfer window closing and McCarthy not signing. Today is a good day.

Or another day closer to him signing

 

[HemelSpur]

He's better than Stambouli, Jesus. Anyway what's Stambouli got to do with it? He wasn't played, Poch clearly didn't rate him - so he's not replacing a guy who never played, he's being bought to be played regularly I'd assume.

He's more than good enough to come in and perform that disciplined role in midfield for us, and I'm betting we'd improve as a team greatly for it.

And it was Jasper who intimated that about his price tag, but JJ said that was 'wayward' - in other words, not entirely accurate.[/QUOTE

I thought stambouli was a poch signing??

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

Looks like Liverpool have paid the £32m clause for Benteke.

Maybe that's how Villa can afford Andros? I could definitely see this happening now especially after the ITK today

 

[Tobyisbest]

So we've already recieved 20 mill plus say 5 on YK and 11 on primary school thing, that's 36 mill bought 3 at around 19 mill so 17 in the kitty with Stam vlad Lennon prob fetching 16 mill ish. 33 mill in kitty before we even spent any of our own cash and that's without maybe Townsend ( forest gump) and soldado going. As a fan I'd be upset not to see 3 good signings but fully expect yet again to be the only club in the prem again finishing the window in profit, which is great but to get 4th we need to get our balls out and that would cost alittle more

 

[brasil_spur]

He's better than Stambouli, Jesus. Anyway what's Stambouli got to do with it? He wasn't played, Poch clearly didn't rate him - so he's not replacing a guy who never played, he's being bought to be played regularly I'd assume.

He's more than good enough to come in and perform that disciplined role in midfield for us, and I'm betting we'd improve as a team greatly for it.

And it was Jasper who intimated that about his price tag, but JJ said that was 'wayward' - in other words, not entirely accurate.

I don't think you can categoricall say that McCarthy is better than Stambouli. Many an Everton player has gone on to look far worse having moved from Everton, the likes of Pienaar, Lescott etc... spring to mind.

What has Stambouli got to do with it? Well currently he is the only recognised DM player in our squad, so i would say that when we're having a conversation about bringing in a new DM, discussing our current DM player in that same conversation is pretty relevant.

I also don't think it is fair to say that Pock clearly didn't rate him. He was played in some games, and frankly looked pretty decent for parts of those games, however we had a lot of weaknesses in defence last season that we're addressed with buying players this summer, so the whole midfield set-up might well be different too, in fact you would assume that is the case if we're talking about buying McCarthy.

 

[loaderspurs]

McCarthy has over 300 PL games at the age of 24, Stambouli has about 5, so there is definitely a difference in the two of them.

As for being uninspiring, every decent team needs water carriers, players who know their job, are reliable and give it to the match winners in the side. Nothing wrong with a bit of that...

300 PL games = over 7 seasons of playing every single game. Don't think he's quite managed that?

 

[brasil_spur]

So we've already recieved 20 mill plus say 5 on YK and 11 on primary school thing, that's 36 mill bought 3 at around 19 mill so 17 in the kitty with Stam vlad Lennon prob fetching 16 mill ish. 33 mill in kitty before we even spent any of our own cash and that's without maybe Townsend ( forest gump) and soldado going. As a fan I'd be upset not to see 3 good signings but fully expect yet again to be the only club in the prem again finishing the window in profit, which is great but to get 4th we need to get our balls out and that would cost alittle more

£11m from the school won't go anywhere near player acquisition IMO. That will all go (rightl so) into the stadium fund.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't think you can categoricall say that McCarthy is better than Stambouli. Many an Everton player has gone on to look far worse having moved from Everton, the likes of Pienaar, Lescott etc... spring to mind.

What has Stambouli got to do with it? Well currently he is the only recognised DM player in our squad, so i would say that when we're having a conversation about bringing in a new DM, discussing our current DM player in that same conversation is pretty relevant.

I also don't think it is fair to say that Pock clearly didn't rate him. He was played in some games, and frankly looked pretty decent for parts of those games, however we had a lot of weaknesses in defence last season that we're addressed with buying players this summer, so the whole midfield set-up might well be different too, in fact you would assume that is the case if we're talking about buying McCarthy.

Its not relevant at all because he didn't start that many games. Its not like we're looking to replace a first team member here, that's the point I'm making.

We're effectively replacing a squad option, who didn't even make the match day squad most weeks, with someone who's going to be playing regularly week in week out.

 

[mpickard2087]

So we've already recieved 20 mill plus say 5 on YK and 11 on primary school thing, that's 36 mill bought 3 at around 19 mill so 17 in the kitty with Stam vlad Lennon prob fetching 16 mill ish. 33 mill in kitty before we even spent any of our own cash and that's without maybe Townsend ( forest gump) and soldado going. As a fan I'd be upset not to see 3 good signings but fully expect yet again to be the only club in the prem again finishing the window in profit, which is great but to get 4th we need to get our balls out and that would cost alittle more

Whatever we spend, there are five, well certainly four, who can outspend us by a significant amount. We also have a stadium to budget for, I dunno if you have noticed?

We need to get out of the mindset of thinking we compete by seeing who can throw the most money at transfers. We'll always lose in that game.

 

[brasil_spur]

McCarthy has over 300 PL games at the age of 24, Stambouli has about 5, so there is definitely a difference in the two of them.

178 PL games, the majority of which for Wigan, who were relegated in his last full season there. So hardly an inspiring record of PL achievement from him.