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We should have won that series 3-2 and probably 4-1 against the custodians of the spirit of cricket 
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Twizzle
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We should have won that series 3-2 and probably 4-1 against the custodians of the spirit of cricket
but you didn't
when's the last time you beat us in Oz ?
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all the talk here this morning, media and fans, is all about the cheating poms, couldn't get a wicket at 0-130, so whinged like hell, got the ball changed to a shiny one and then bowled us out, the ball was not like for like
cheating whinging poms, blah blah blah
for mine the situation was no different from the Bairstow dismissal, we were entitled to appeal, the umps gave it out
where was the cheating ?
the umps allowed the ball to be changed, not the poms, where was the cheating ?
mind you our media are not a patch on yours but they do like their clicks
and yeah, we do love to hear Tears Morgan have a whinge, we must be doing something right
cheating whinging poms, blah blah blah
for mine the situation was no different from the Bairstow dismissal, we were entitled to appeal, the umps gave it out
where was the cheating ?
the umps allowed the ball to be changed, not the poms, where was the cheating ?
mind you our media are not a patch on yours but they do like their clicks
and yeah, we do love to hear Tears Morgan have a whinge, we must be doing something right
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An Australian asking where was the cheating
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About half the time it's taken you to beat us over here
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An Australian asking where was the cheating
and the answer is ?
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I know a draw is not really what was expected of us, I mean it has been a long tour with us winning the WORLD TEST CHAMPIONSHIP and all that
LeSoupeKitchen
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This is exactly why the Aussies rile us up so much.
There is nothing but crying and whinging everywhere by Australians about the ball and that they were snubbed for drinks after the game. Yet they're somehow maintaining the narrative of "whinging pom babies".
razor1981
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Let's ask the experts:
Apparently if the umpire says no, you can just 'change' the ball yourself.
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aussiespursguy
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I'll answer for you mate.
2010/11 Beat us 3 - 1
WorcesterTHFC
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That's the only time in Ashes history that either team has won 3 Tests by an innings in the same series. It was only the 5th time we've won a series on Aussie soil since WWII. (The others were 1954/55, 1970/71, 1978/79 and 1986/87.)
Root also got the 2 most unplayable balls of the series so could easily have been more
They absolutely don’t. If the ball goes out of shape you can ask to change it. The Aussies did it numerous times in the series. You could also just as easily argue the first ball was a clunker that allowed the Aussies to get to 135-0. A sample size of 2 cricket balls doesn’t prove anything at all
Timbo Tottenham
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And what about the 3 wickets they lost to spin? I don’t think a swinging ball helped with that…
It’s just whingeing Aussies as it didn’t go their way.
southlondonyiddo
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They got one changed earlier in the series and it did a lot more which resulted in a few wickets
The stupid laws say you can ask every 2 seconds if the ball is still round, which is a nonsense. Think you’re only allowed to ask twice in a county championship innings
dimiSpur
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What a test, what a series! Full of memorable moments and both sides were just excellent in providing high drama. Obviously the way England play is the main driver of why this series was so good. But credit to the Aussie bowling attack mainly for getting their side home.
Travis Head impressed me greatly, Marsh did so well to just walk in and get that 100+.
The rain obviously stopped England from making it 2-2 earlier. That would have set up the Oval for a 3-2 either way, which, in my opinion, regardless of who won, would have left this series above all other series beyond any question. Alas, England paid for some errors. The Lord's 2nd innings is talked about a lot, as well as the declaration, however I think England's batting in the 2nd innings at Edgbaston was the biggest error. England didn't stack up the runs that they should have and were a bit pedestrian.
One thing I will say though is that this "Bazball" approach was improved. England learned from their mistakes and were a little more ruthless going forward. They almost needed those defeats to make them a better outfit long term. They learned that results do matter too.
On to Broady, coming out to bat on Day 4 with Jimmy had me seriously tearing up, as did the fairytale ending which was inevitable as soon as the Aussies were 7 down. He's simply irreplaceable and I'm genuinely sad that we'll never see that Broad/Anderson partnership again. It was truly remarkable and we were privileged to be able to see it for 15 years.
I think England will kick on from this and become the No.1 test side. The batting is fine now. Obviously going forward the issue is the bowling department.
Stokes needs to sort his knee out to become the all rounder he was. Woakes almost took the torch from Broad and Jimmy. Obviously Jimmy will continue but I can see him retiring next summer too. I think he'll come back by the way no way have we seen the last of the best from Jimmy. He'll be seriously motivated to have a similar send off to Broad.
Talking of Jimmy, this talk of when did England last win in Australia had me reminiscing of past series and I was looking at match stats from 2006 onwards. Its incredible but Jimmy was in that 5-0 whitewash team in 2006-07. That's just mental.
That leaves our seamers being Woakes, Jimmy (for another 18 months?), Robinson, Wood (who is unreliable unfortunately), Archer (if we can ever get him fit enough for Test cricket), Tongue (who impressed me greatly) & Potts. We still also have the likes of Curran and Stone. We seem a little light in that department for my liking.
Questions also as to who the spinners will be in India, where you'd think we'll need at least 3 in the squad and 2 in the XI. Rehan should be taken and invested in for the future now. Don't like Leach and never have done, but he'll probably continue in a role. Leaves a question mark over the 3rd!
Travis Head impressed me greatly, Marsh did so well to just walk in and get that 100+.
The rain obviously stopped England from making it 2-2 earlier. That would have set up the Oval for a 3-2 either way, which, in my opinion, regardless of who won, would have left this series above all other series beyond any question. Alas, England paid for some errors. The Lord's 2nd innings is talked about a lot, as well as the declaration, however I think England's batting in the 2nd innings at Edgbaston was the biggest error. England didn't stack up the runs that they should have and were a bit pedestrian.
One thing I will say though is that this "Bazball" approach was improved. England learned from their mistakes and were a little more ruthless going forward. They almost needed those defeats to make them a better outfit long term. They learned that results do matter too.
On to Broady, coming out to bat on Day 4 with Jimmy had me seriously tearing up, as did the fairytale ending which was inevitable as soon as the Aussies were 7 down. He's simply irreplaceable and I'm genuinely sad that we'll never see that Broad/Anderson partnership again. It was truly remarkable and we were privileged to be able to see it for 15 years.
I think England will kick on from this and become the No.1 test side. The batting is fine now. Obviously going forward the issue is the bowling department.
Stokes needs to sort his knee out to become the all rounder he was. Woakes almost took the torch from Broad and Jimmy. Obviously Jimmy will continue but I can see him retiring next summer too. I think he'll come back by the way no way have we seen the last of the best from Jimmy. He'll be seriously motivated to have a similar send off to Broad.
Talking of Jimmy, this talk of when did England last win in Australia had me reminiscing of past series and I was looking at match stats from 2006 onwards. Its incredible but Jimmy was in that 5-0 whitewash team in 2006-07. That's just mental.
That leaves our seamers being Woakes, Jimmy (for another 18 months?), Robinson, Wood (who is unreliable unfortunately), Archer (if we can ever get him fit enough for Test cricket), Tongue (who impressed me greatly) & Potts. We still also have the likes of Curran and Stone. We seem a little light in that department for my liking.
Questions also as to who the spinners will be in India, where you'd think we'll need at least 3 in the squad and 2 in the XI. Rehan should be taken and invested in for the future now. Don't like Leach and never have done, but he'll probably continue in a role. Leaves a question mark over the 3rd!
southlondonyiddo
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Jack Carson would be a bold, interesting choice
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