The beginning of the end...

[Shadydan]

Devils advocate, but he could have also just not piped up with the comment. It hardly makes him sound committed to the cause long term.

As I said he speaks nonsense in front of the media, why I don't know.

He said that he wants to stay at Spurs and make them the best team in the world 3 weeks later in a 1on1 interview with Laura Woods so...

 

[Coco-1101]

Where did I say I know for a fact?
You know what a possibility is dont u? We can discuss possibilities....unless you're in complete denial.

i see it in a different way. he was expecting to have influence and control over the club like fergi or wenger. But it is not as he is unable to shift players who he doesn't want anymore. Remember he said the rebuild will be painful which means some big names might be gone but it didn't happen as he has no control. Fergie used to sells popular and big name players too.

 

[Lighty64]

SC, after reading their coffee grounds, have decided that Catch 22 is now official policy............We want to win things but we want to do it without throwing money at it and by playing entertaining football while we're at it. Results don't matter as much as performances, but at the same time results do matter more than performances and it won't be under the current manager but we don't want him out. In order for Poch to stay we must start playing more exciting football and start winning more, but winning doesn't matter as much as the style of play, he must also smile more and say nicer things in press conferences, be less moody, SC doesn't like that. He's not the man to deliver trophies, but we don't want him out. But we want to win trophies...........

If he does go it mustn't be a certain manager, the next guy must deliver all of the above and deliver it immediately. By trophies we don't mean the League or FA Cups it must be the Champions League of the Premier League title. Oh and whoever comes in needs to submit all press utterings to SC for approval.

Fucking hell Levy, get your finger out, how hard can it be to deliver that you fucking slacker.

I know the perfect man and he loves travelling by tube so Levy won't need to spend a fortune on a new car.

bring back Christian Gross

 

[Stamford]

I don't tend to over-analyse Poch's comments in front of the media because he speaks a load of guff the majority of time, he tells them lies and speaks in riddles, hard to take him seriously or his comments as gospel. Mentioned this before but he normally comes across better when he does personal interviews as you get a much better sense of his mind state and well being.

Two weeks ago he was absolutely beaming before the Villa match, now all of a sudden since we lost people are concerned by his comments, people just look into stuff that aren't there and end up whipping themselves into a frenzy.

I hear you but that wasn't a riddle, it seemed pretty clear. Either way why the need for riddles at such a time.

It's just my opinion but you can't base your style on everyone giving 100% on the pitch in a dynamic style if you're giving riddles in the media constantly about going home or celebrating a Utd winner in 99. I truly want him to stay and turn this around as I love the bloke but I'm tired of these comments.

 

[Gb160]

i see it in a different way. he was expecting to have influence and control over the club like fergi or wenger. But it is not as he is unable to shift players who he doesn't want anymore. Remember he said the rebuild will be painful which means some big names might be gone but it didn't happen as he has no control. Fergie used to sells popular and big name players too.

This could well be true, but its ultimately a load of guesswork.

 

[Shadydan]

I hear you but that wasn't a riddle, it seemed pretty clear. Either way why the need for riddles at such a time.

It's just my opinion but you can't base your style on everyone giving 100% on the pitch in a dynamic style if you're giving riddles in the media constantly about going home or celebrating a Utd winner in 99. I truly want him to stay and turn this around as I love the bloke but I'm tired of these comments.

That wasn't clear as clarified his comments in a later interview, no-one knows what he really meant or what his true intentions were.

I do agree though he speaks shit and would honestly prefer it if he doesn't give the press any ammo to use.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

That wasn't clear as clarified his comments in a later interview, no-one knows what he really meant or what his true intentions were.

I do agree though he speaks shit and would honestly prefer it if he doesn't give the press any ammo to use.

Or us

 

[Gassin's finest]

He said he may have left if we won the CL, that's not the same as saying that he wants to leave, if he wanted to leave he he would have left - no need to be over dramatic.

And he was clearly just telling the reporters to fuck off with that.

 

[Stamford]

That wasn't clear as clarified his comments in a later interview, no-one knows what he really meant or what his true intentions were.

I do agree though he speaks shit and would honestly prefer it if he doesn't give the press any ammo to use.

I'm not that worried about the press, its more the players. I really do wonder what affect it has on the camp. Anyway Sunday is huge COYS

 

[danielneeds]

I wouldn't say he's lost the dressing room, but things are far from harmonious. I don't know whether it's a build up of pressure, expectation, frustration or a combination of all 3 but he is not the same motivational maestro the players would have ran through walls for 12 months ago.


I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if Zidane got the push tomorrow.

The phrase “be careful what you wish for” comes to mind here.

I’d far rather get rid of quite a few members of the dressing room than Poch. There’s obviously quite a few of them who’ve got a bit above their station. Back Poch, rebuild, even if it means some painful transition.

 

[Shadydan]

I'm not that worried about the press, its more the players. I really do wonder what affect it has on the camp. Anyway Sunday is huge COYS

Bearing in mind what I said about his personal interviews and him coming across as jovial and more approachable and just generally different to his demeanor in front of the press, what do you think the players pick up on and what do you think he tells the players? I think the Poch we see in front of the cameras is a very different person behind it.

 

[dagraham]

Still going with the meltdown, are we? You people are beyond saving. Go and believe what you want. Us rational people will just be here laughing at you in 3 weeks time.

Who are you and what have you done with the real yankspurs? Or is this some sort of elaborate bluff before you wade in with the rant to end all rants?

 

[Dougal]

All these months later and that interview is still being analysed. Whereas at the time I assumed it was a friendly yet serious message for Levy to say ‘this is as much as I can do under the present constraints, Champions League Final, we’re stretched, help me out bro, open the wallet’. And yet here we are still taking it literally that he was actually seriously planning to walk. If I’m the only one who thinks this maybe I should just pack up now and retire*





*No, I’m not going to literally pack up now and retire. I don’t have a suitcase ready to put away my picture frames and Alexa echo dot. It was a means to an end, a turn of phrase to get my point across, ffs...

 

[Phomesy]

I wouldn't say he's lost the dressing room, but things are far from harmonious. I don't know whether it's a build up of pressure, expectation, frustration or a combination of all 3 but he is not the same motivational maestro the players would have ran through walls for 12 months ago.


I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if Zidane got the push tomorrow.

How on earth could this help the situation? It would just cause more uncertinaty and chaos.

If you want Poch gone simpler just to sack him and start a process of finding the next manager to take us forward. Hoping Zidane gets sacked so the merry go round can start up again is the worst possible outcome I would have thought.

 

[Lighty64]

I know what you are saying, but you must get what I mean here. The villa game was a struggle, and we were 15 minutes away from defeat, we got battered at City and lost on Sunday. Basically, none of the games have been anything like convincing, not what you'd expect from a top 3 side. You can include 5 months of last season in this assessment too.

You can't blame new signings not being bedded in, or injuries. We had loads of top quality players out there for all 3 games. It seems we've become an excuse factory under Poch recently, and whilst some were justified at the time, like playing at Wembley and a bad injury list last season, now they have to stop. Poch really has nowhere to hide this season.



The Villa game was very much like the Newcastle game. Granted we played slightly better, but it was still extremely slow and pedestrian. yes we pummeled them with shots but we didn't create many clear cut chances at all. The difference is Villa wilted once we found the equaliser, but it was still skin of your teeth stuff. Nobody can say it was a convincing performance. We were all sitting there at 65 minutes feeling exactly like we were on Sunday. The last 15 minutes ensured the previous 70 minutes of huffing and puffing were largely forgotten.

I don't need to fit a narrative, the results and performances do that for me. We have taken 15 points from as many League games and lost 11 of the last 21 matches in all competitions, winning just seven.

look 2018/19 is in the past, if you don't understand what caused the drop in the league I'm not sure you understand what we went through and that football players how ever much they earn they are not robots. they where physically, and mentally shattered.

over the previous 5 seasons we haven't really started the 1st few months with high pace football, and have only had 2 goodish starts. our 2 best seasons teams never defended in vast numbers and when they did we had trouble beating them Leicester, and WBA being our main probs. we had width and pace just like Liverpool have now, unfortunately ours failed with delivery compared to theirs.

if you want to keep going on about the last 15 games even though 12 of them can't effect us this season, and doesn't mean it will be the case for the next 12 either, but out of those 15 games how often did we field or best or strongest XI. out of the 12 players involved in the WC, how many of them played over 30 games and produced every game or was even consistent over the season

 

[Trotter]

How on earth could this help the situation? It would just cause more uncertinaty and chaos.

If you want Poch gone simpler just to sack him and start a process of finding the next manager to take us forward. Hoping Zidane gets sacked so the merry go round can start up again is the worst possible outcome I would have thought.

Totally agree, with the one exception if we sacked Poch and staff would probably cost us £50m plus, if Zidane goes, we could maybe get £20m plus from them if he was to go there.
Basically could get a shiny new player with the delta.
Don't want him gone though, if he has to kick a few players out, so be it, he deserves chance to put things right.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

SC, after reading their coffee grounds, have decided that Catch 22 is now official policy............We want to win things but we want to do it without throwing money at it and by playing entertaining football while we're at it. Results don't matter as much as performances, but at the same time results do matter more than performances and it won't be under the current manager but we don't want him out. In order for Poch to stay we must start playing more exciting football and start winning more, but winning doesn't matter as much as the style of play, he must also smile more and say nicer things in press conferences, be less moody, SC doesn't like that. He's not the man to deliver trophies, but we don't want him out. But we want to win trophies...........

If he does go it mustn't be a certain manager, the next guy must deliver all of the above and deliver it immediately. By trophies we don't mean the League or FA Cups it must be the Champions League of the Premier League title. Oh and whoever comes in needs to submit all press utterings to SC for approval.

Fucking hell Levy, get your finger out, how hard can it be to deliver that you fucking slacker.

SC, after reading it’s* coffee grounds, has* decided that Catch 22 is now official policy

Come on man, have you learnt nothing from the ‘What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us’ thread?

 

[Dougal]

Y’know, this thread seems to be going back and forward over all the same points, keeps rehashing the same arguments, not quite grasping the cusp of the situation. It’s basically incapable of delivering the final ball. This thread is the equivalent of our performance against Newcastle. We need to put it behind us and prove we are better than this.

 

[Lighty64]

I wouldn't say he's lost the dressing room, but things are far from harmonious. I don't know whether it's a build up of pressure, expectation, frustration or a combination of all 3 but he is not the same motivational maestro the players would have ran through walls for 12 months ago.


I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if Zidane got the push tomorrow.

reading that comment about Zidane you think Poch would go this time, and you wouldn't be too upset

does that mean the feed you've been getting is that the harmony would be a struggle to fix, or have we suffered to an extent because Poch regrets not taking the reigns when he last had the chance to jump ship.

 

[Fidget]

The phrase “be careful what you wish for” comes to mind here.

I’d far rather get rid of quite a few members of the dressing room than Poch. There’s obviously quite a few of them who’ve got a bit above their station. Back Poch, rebuild, even if it means some painful transition.

I suspect that this strange, without label, way of playing must have something to do with the ‘painful transition’ that Poch was talking about. Probably, as usual, I am completely wrong but could it be that players are being asked to take on the beginnings of a new system that is proving difficult without Dele up front with Kane? Without our two new midfielders to champion the plan and with the complex Eriksen situation and the uncomfortable Jan situation throwing things out.
I find it impossible to believe that a manager with his credentials and our experience of him up to end of 2018, making the team seemingly play like a bunch of raw recruits with no idea. They seem to be totally bewildered by what are, presumably, Poch’s instructions. Just like us!
Please God, tell me this crap is all part of the plan!!