The beginning of the end...

[tommyt]

Just for the record we are not supposed to be mid table Tottenham anymore...Morning COYS

Well personally i see excuses...a bad workman....

I'll admit I'm flabbergasted with your comments in this thread. Before this you always seemed so level headed and I respected that.

Having finally reached the end if this thread I have to say that your tone is somewhat accusatory and I'm confused about that. Its almost as if you are taking this personally, but more than that, like you're stoking the fire.

I'll apologise in advance if I have misinterpreted, but your usual approach to giving ITK, imo, is so much more pragmatic.

 

[hakano]

Jose needed if poch goes

Hahah, how long do you think it’ll be before Jose goes for Levy?

 

[rossdapep]

It's not an excuse. Poch has not got it right on the pitch and really needs to be focusing on improving performances and winning games without Eriksen. I'm just expressing surprise that it has got to this stage. I hope that DL is not holding out for a ridiculous fee when the guy is going to be a free agent next summer. Better to have him gone if he is not going to be part of the team's plans going forward.

Is the lack of pressing on the opposition when they arrive in our half down to Eriksen?
Is allowing Christian fucking Atsu loft the ball into a dangerous area with no pressure down to Eriksen?
Is having four players stood along the 18 yard area waiting for the ball down to Eriksen?

The lack of movement, intensity and desire can't be put down to him being out.

Secondly, if you are planning for life after Eriksen - take him out the squad. You've had no problems doing this to others who wanted out, stick to your principals. If you believe that you need him until Lo Celso is bedded in, then play him.

Having him on the bench reeks of doubt and uncertainty. As coach you have to be firm and show your strength.

Can you imagine Pep or Klopp reacting this way? No, they'd just focus on the solutions.

At this point in hoping the players who are unsettling all go. At least that way we won't get these excuses and 'distractions' anymore. That's as long as others have stopped believing in him.

 

[Joeyboey]

Well with all this Poch chat there’s certainly a sub plot to this weekends North London Derby.

Fucking massive. We need to stop the rot.

 

[Dougal]

It’s perfectly believable to think Poch has lost the dressing room. It’s a big place, I’ve lost Beavertown Brewery on more than one occasion.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Baffles me, the idea that Poch dealt with one bad dressing room when he first came in, perhaps he should approach this the same way. Ride out the quite obvious blip in form that comes with it and start from scratch with a squad that is once again committed. If that includes having some of the youth that was involved over the preseason, but they are putting in the hard yakka in, in training, and commit to what he asks for out on the pitch then do it.

Fucked if I see the team we saw two seasons ago.

 

[ValonquarCOYS]

Christ, what a way to start the week it was reading that...

If poch has indeed lost the dressing room then that's bad, very bad but i feel like its absolutely inevitable given the current situation, 2/3 players with one foot in the door, previous favorite players now out of favor (anyone read Poch's comments regarding Wanyama? jheezz..) but fucking hell lads lets calm down. We lost a really bad game against Newcastle but i dont think it's time to man the life boats yet :/ you would think we were in the relegation zone after 12 games the way certain people are going on in here....

Poch has earnt the right to work through this in the last 5 years. Although i dont see it happening personally, a big result against the scum next weekend and a decent run of form and the good vibes are back and may go a long way to Poch winning the confidence of the team again.

 

[Japhet]

IMO, the CL final loss has had a big effect on Poch. He now needs to get his head out of his arse and get on with the job at hand. By the end of last season we were flatlining and as the Manager he needs to earn his corn, stop feeling sorry for himself and set about motivating the players to put in some performances. That's what top managers do, and if he thinks he's in that bracket he needs to stop sulking and prove it.

 

[Metalhead]

Is the lack of pressing on the opposition when they arrive in our half down to Eriksen?
Is allowing Christian fucking Atsu loft the ball into a dangerous area with no pressure down to Eriksen?
Is having four players stood along the 18 yard area waiting for the ball down to Eriksen?

The lack of movement, intensity and desire can't be put down to him being out.

Secondly, if you are planning for life after Eriksen - take him out the squad. You've had no problems doing this to others who wanted out, stick to your principals. If you believe that you need him until Lo Celso is bedded in, then play him.

Having him on the bench reeks of doubt and uncertainty. As coach you have to be firm and show your strength.

Can you imagine Pep or Klopp reacting this way? No, they'd just focus on the solutions.

At this point in hoping the players who are unsettling all go. At least that way we won't get these excuses and 'distractions' anymore. That's as long as others have stopped believing in him.

That's why I've said:

'It's not an excuse. Poch has not got it right on the pitch and really needs to be focusing on improving performances and winning games without Eriksen'

I also said in another post (I don't expect you to trawl through the thread looking for my posts by the way!) that he really should either be starting him or dropping him altogether.

 

[evo23]

We completely dominated 2 other PL teams. On another day against Newcastle we get a pen or Kane and Lucas bury there chances.

We had 80% possession, most of which was in the opponents half.

How many other PL teams are capable of that? Other than ourselves,city and Liverpool.


We were out played by probably the best team on the planet at the moment,but didn’t give up and got rewards.

Let’s see how the next few fixtures go. We’ve been here before with poch and poor starts to a season. We always improve.

 

[Metalhead]

Christ, what a way to start the week it was reading that...

If poch has indeed lost the dressing room then that's bad, very bad but i feel like its absolutely inevitable given the current situation, 2/3 players with one foot in the door, previous favorite players now out of favor (anyone read Poch's comments regarding Wanyama? jheezz..) but fucking hell lads lets calm down. We lost a really bad game against Newcastle but i dont think it's time to man the life boats yet :/ you would think we were in the relegation zone after 12 games the way certain people are going on in here....

Poch has earnt the right to work through this in the last 5 years. Although i dont see it happening personally, a big result against the scum next weekend and a decent run of form and the good vibes are back and may go a long way to Poch winning the confidence of the team again.

Even if we don't pick up any points, a vibrant, energetic performance would go a long way to calming nerves. I think that if we were failing to pick up points but people could see what the team were trying to achieve then people wouldn't be so panicky.

 

[hakano]

The issue i have with blaming this new TW window is that every PL club has the same problem or certain clubs not just us... and when youre getting paid millions a year you should really not have excuses, you should have solutions and plans....

This applies to Levy too. What do you think prompted Poch’s pre-season outburst?

 

[rossdapep]

That's why I've said:

'It's not an excuse. Poch has not got it right on the pitch and really needs to be focusing on improving performances and winning games without Eriksen'

I also said in another post (I don't expect you to trawl through the thread looking for my posts by the way!) that he really should either be starting him or dropping him altogether.

I apologise! I glanced over it too quickly. Sorry

Let's hope some rifts can be healed this week and Poch can get everyone motivated for Sunday.

 

[ohh_when_the_spurs]

I believe poch probably has about 5 games to turn this around. If we go on a bit if a run from here on we will all look a little bit stupid having this thread.

Every year a team will lose an unexpected game, maybe this is ours just coming early?

I do feel Poch has lost his spark and the whole togetherness feeling but i can't see who we could possibly get in after a few games who could turn it round and make us into the team we were with high pressing and a spark back in our play.

If after 5 more games of this negative football and results then i wouldn't be surprised if levy pulls the trigger but honestly Jose would be such an awful appointment.

 

[Dougal]

We completely dominated 2 other PL teams. On another day against Newcastle we get a pen or Kane and Lucas bury there chances.

We had 80% possession, most of which was in the opponents half.

How many other PL teams are capable of that? Other than ourselves,city and Liverpool.


We were out played by probably the best team on the planet at the moment,but didn’t give up and got rewards.

Let’s see how the next few fixtures go. We’ve been here before with poch and poor starts to a season. We always improve.

It’s a nice spin on it but Newcastle were happy to let us have the ball as long as we remained ineffective with it. But best to judge over a season rather than against a select small number of opponents and the individual challenges they present.

 

[ValenciaYid]

I'll admit I'm flabbergasted with your comments in this thread. Before this you always seemed so level headed and I respected that.

Having finally reached the end if this thread I have to say that your tone is somewhat accusatory and I'm confused about that. Its almost as if you are taking this personally, but more than that, like you're stoking the fire.

I'll apologise in advance if I have misinterpreted, but your usual approach to giving ITK, imo, is so much more pragmatic.

Other than much earlier in the thread these comments are my opinion which is quite clear... furthermore im not sure how im stoking any fires, im offering my opinion as a life long fan and how i see it.

 

[jurgen]

It depends. If Levy is factoring results since February as well as this season, which he almost certainly is, then like the rest of us he’s seeing a team on the decline. Add to this the fact Levy has backed Poch significantly this summer and still we seem ponderous, flat and demotivated then I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s giving serious thought to replacing Poch.

Let’s not kid ourselves: Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon are players with great potential that most decent managers would be delighted to have. Levy won’t exclusively hold on to Poch because he wanted them when other managers could develop and integrate them into our squad. In fact, Levy may be looking at Poch’s issues and worry these new acquisitions might lose their value if things continue as they are

Ndombele is already injured, so against Newcastle we were missing one of the key players who helped us unlock points in the first two matches. Clearly we should also have enough in the team to beat them without him, but the Sissoko/Winks axis was utterly pedestrian with the ball and it seems other options are also coming back from injury right now.

I do think Lo Celso could have played more given nobody else seems to be operating with Poch's desired intensity anyway, but Sessegnon is injured. Both of those two arrived very late as per usual, so personally it seems a tad premature to boot Poch without giving him some time to shape the team around three players he clearly wanted for ages.

 

[evo23]

It’s a nice spin on it but Newcastle were happy to let us have the ball as long as we remained ineffective with it. But best to judge over a season rather than against a select small number of opponents and the individual challenges they present.

I don’t think teams are happy to let us have the ball at home. In an ideal world they would like to create chances to win the game.

We are just more powerful and dominant and keep and recover the ball better. Meaning they struggle to get near our goal most of the time.

We need to remember poch has created this.

Only a select few teams come to our ground and can get on the front foot and have large spells of possession.

Unfortunately sometimes it won’t go our way and we may not be able to find that crucial goal.

I only wish we would start games like we used to at whl, more pace and try and get the early goal which is so crucial for us against teams like Newcastle etc.

 

[Joeyboey]

Christ, what a way to start the week it was reading that...

If poch has indeed lost the dressing room then that's bad, very bad but i feel like its absolutely inevitable given the current situation, 2/3 players with one foot in the door, previous favorite players now out of favor (anyone read Poch's comments regarding Wanyama? jheezz..) but fucking hell lads lets calm down. We lost a really bad game against Newcastle but i dont think it's time to man the life boats yet :/ you would think we were in the relegation zone after 12 games the way certain people are going on in here....

Poch has earnt the right to work through this in the last 5 years. Although i dont see it happening personally, a big result against the scum next weekend and a decent run of form and the good vibes are back and may go a long way to Poch winning the confidence of the team again.

But our form over the last 15 premiere league games is relegation form. 15 points from 15 including losses to Newcastle, West Ham, Burnley, Southampton, Bournemouth... only wins against Palace, Huddersfield and Brighton + Villa.

 

[Dougal]

I don’t think teams are happy to let us have the ball at home. In an ideal world they would like to create chances to win the game.

We are just more powerful and dominant and keep and recover the ball better. Meaning they struggle to get near our goal most of the time.

We need to remember poch has created this.

Only a select few teams come to our ground and can get on the front foot and have large spells of possession.

Unfortunately sometimes it won’t go our way and we may not be able to find that crucial goal.

I only wish we would start games like we used to at whl, more pace and try and get the early goal which is so crucial for us against teams like Newcastle etc.

Once Newcastle had their goal they got the jackpot. They didn’t have to do a thing again until we scored apart from stop us scoring. No risks were taken, none were needed.