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sammyj

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Would it harm us to get knocked out, have seen us win this trophy 3 times but I feel if we flog Harry to much we could end up with nothing save for top four and Europe, but if we win at Everton COYFL
 

Kingellesar

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A lot of big teams out of this cup already and a couple more all prem ties this week. We should be going for this. It looks like top 4 could be a slog so if we can get 2/3 trophies this season then I think we would all be happy.

Only issue we have is we have a tough game at City at weekend so its a case of which game do we want to go full strength because some of the players aren’t going to be able to play both (Kane and Lamela probably the two who wouldn’t be able to).

I would go same side as WBA and see how we go. Winning breeds confidence so a win Wednesday could give us a glimmer of hope going to City to try and snatch something.
 

wirE

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Two tough games coming in fast. Everton and then Manchester City. I'm contemplating a bit if we're gonna send our best team out facing Everton or against Manchester City.

Lloris
Toby Dier Rodon
Doherty Sissoko Winks Davies
Lamela Kane Son


or

Lloris
Aurier Toby Sanchez Davies
Ndombele Hojbjerg
Bergwijn Moura Son
Kane​
 

journeyman

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I wouldn’t revert to 3 at the back. That may be an option when Reguilon fit and Doherty in form. But we shouldn’t be shoehorning the wrong players into that system.
 

idontgetit

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Is Aurier definitely injured? If so I'd really depends on how Docherty is looking in training. If he's been poor then I'd start Tanganga at right back and free up the RWF to play like a proper forward. Moura certainly earned his spot but I'd love to see Bale or Alli get a go when they've got someone like Tanganga to cover.
 

wrd

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Lloris
Doherty Rodon Dier Davies
Moura Ndombele Hojbjerg Son
Kane Vinicius

4-4-fucking2
 

Strikeb4ck

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With how low our win probability is vs City I'd prefer to just send out a weaker team there. Don't want to give them more fuel for the EFL Cup final either. At best I think we can get a draw there. 1 pt vs 0 pts isn't a huge deal, making the next round of the FA Cup vs not making the next round however, is.

So I'd hope for a strong team here.
 

Shadydan

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With how low our win probability is vs City I'd prefer to just send out a weaker team there. Don't want to give them more fuel for the EFL Cup final either. At best I think we can get a draw there. 1 pt vs 0 pts isn't a huge deal, making the next round of the FA Cup vs not making the next round however, is.

So I'd hope for a strong team here.

That's just the wrong mentality, I know City are on a tear but they're not 1970's Brazil, they're entirely beatable if we turn up, we've already beaten them this season.
 

Strikeb4ck

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That's just the wrong mentality, I know City are on a tear but they're not 1970's Brazil, they're entirely beatable if we turn up, we've already beaten them this season.
Sure, but it's not overly likely as everyone knows, and my point is if we have to keep player fitness in mind and expect squad rotation then I think the +EV move is to focus more on the Everton match. If we can play our strongest 11 3 times in a week and then have a Europa League/Premier League double gameweek after that w/ 0 repercussions, then sure, let's go for it.
 

spids

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Assuming Aurier is injured, or at least being wrapped in cotton wool for the weekend, we need to decide whether to play 3-5-2 or 4-2-3-1. If a flat back 4, I'd play Tanganga at RB.
 

Shadydan

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Sure, but it's not overly likely as everyone knows, and my point is if we have to keep player fitness in mind and expect squad rotation then I think the +EV move is to focus more on the Everton match. If we can play our strongest 11 3 times in a week and then have a Europa League/Premier League double gameweek after that w/ 0 repercussions, then sure, let's go for it.

I disagree...Mourinho says that the focus is to win every match and he'll go strong in the City match regardless.

Would also be good practice for the final to see how his setup fares against this new look City side, I feel setting up with a weakened team is entirely pointless.

We can probably afford to rest a couple of players against Wolfsburg.
 

buckley

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Watching Bournemouth beat Burnley and having nowhere to put this view I wonder what others think the commentator in the match was talking about time wasting . I dont think a card should be given for time wasting by (a) the Goalkeeper holding on to the ball too long (b)slow taking of a throw on (c) a player Slow leaving the field when being substituted (d) a player staying down too long when injured or supposedly injured .( e ) the goalkeeper taking liberties over goal kicks . I dont think cards should be given for any of these offences and I will tell you why all teams do these time wasting tactics when under pressure near the end of the game and some teams straight from kick off.
All teams waste times and cards given by referees for these offences are on the referees own opinion therefore subjective .
I would like to see professional time keepers and as I say no cards for these offences but a time limit for each subject for instance 8 seconds for a goal kick 6 seconds for a throw on go over the time the timekeeper stops the clock and restarted when the throw or kick is taken .
The ball is in the goalkeepers hands and he wants to take as long as possible before releasing the same again 8 seconds if not released stop the clock and restart when the ball is in play . A player goes down injured and is obviously going to stay down then stop the clock and restart the clock when the ball is in play . A player being substituted then stop the clock when the board is put up and restart the clock when the sub enters the field of play .These moves would ensure the game is closer to the 90 minutes it would also mean these teams that want to waste time would be in fact wasting their own time and finally it would stop the subjective view a ref takes on their decision what is taking to long and what is not .
 

WiganSpur

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Lloris
Doherty -- Rodon -- Alderweireld -- Davies
Hojbjerg -- Ndombele
Bale -- Lamela -- Son
Kane
Hart, Dier, Sissoko, Winks, Lucas, Bergwijn, Dele, Scarlett, Vinicius
 

NickHSpurs

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Change Bale in for Lamela (as I'd like Erik to play against City) and Doherty in for Aurier from the last game, that's it.
 

spurs mental

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Watching Bournemouth beat Burnley and having nowhere to put this view I wonder what others think the commentator in the match was talking about time wasting . I dont think a card should be given for time wasting by (a) the Goalkeeper holding on to the ball too long (b)slow taking of a throw on (c) a player Slow leaving the field when being substituted (d) a player staying down too long when injured or supposedly injured .( e ) the goalkeeper taking liberties over goal kicks . I dont think cards should be given for any of these offences and I will tell you why all teams do these time wasting tactics when under pressure near the end of the game and some teams straight from kick off.
All teams waste times and cards given by referees for these offences are on the referees own opinion therefore subjective .
I would like to see professional time keepers and as I say no cards for these offences but a time limit for each subject for instance 8 seconds for a goal kick 6 seconds for a throw on go over the time the timekeeper stops the clock and restarted when the throw or kick is taken .
The ball is in the goalkeepers hands and he wants to take as long as possible before releasing the same again 8 seconds if not released stop the clock and restart when the ball is in play . A player goes down injured and is obviously going to stay down then stop the clock and restart the clock when the ball is in play . A player being substituted then stop the clock when the board is put up and restart the clock when the sub enters the field of play .These moves would ensure the game is closer to the 90 minutes it would also mean these teams that want to waste time would be in fact wasting their own time and finally it would stop the subjective view a ref takes on their decision what is taking to long and what is not .
So basically use the rugby rules for time keeping.

Not sure how its relevant to the team v Everton but take your point anyway.

Tonight;

Hugo

Doc Sanchez Toby Davies

Sissoko Hojbjerg Ndombele

Lamela Kane Son

 

gavspur

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I’d go same team and tactics as against WBA, if Serge isn’t fit then Doc to start. We need consistency and some momentum. Get Dele and Bale on for some minutes, too. Then pick ourselves up for the next battle vs City.

I can’t see Jose picking a weaker side tonight, he wants trophies and the FA Cup is a prestigious one, one very close to the heart of our club. For the competitions we are in and could possibly win (ruling the Prem out of that), this is on a par with the EL for importance. Possibly even more so in some eyes.
 

Griff001

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Watching Bournemouth beat Burnley and having nowhere to put this view I wonder what others think the commentator in the match was talking about time wasting . I dont think a card should be given for time wasting by (a) the Goalkeeper holding on to the ball too long (b)slow taking of a throw on (c) a player Slow leaving the field when being substituted (d) a player staying down too long when injured or supposedly injured .( e ) the goalkeeper taking liberties over goal kicks . I dont think cards should be given for any of these offences and I will tell you why all teams do these time wasting tactics when under pressure near the end of the game and some teams straight from kick off.
All teams waste times and cards given by referees for these offences are on the referees own opinion therefore subjective .
I would like to see professional time keepers and as I say no cards for these offences but a time limit for each subject for instance 8 seconds for a goal kick 6 seconds for a throw on go over the time the timekeeper stops the clock and restarted when the throw or kick is taken .
The ball is in the goalkeepers hands and he wants to take as long as possible before releasing the same again 8 seconds if not released stop the clock and restart when the ball is in play . A player goes down injured and is obviously going to stay down then stop the clock and restart the clock when the ball is in play . A player being substituted then stop the clock when the board is put up and restart the clock when the sub enters the field of play .These moves would ensure the game is closer to the 90 minutes it would also mean these teams that want to waste time would be in fact wasting their own time and finally it would stop the subjective view a ref takes on their decision what is taking to long and what is not .

Bit of a weird formation for me, I'd rather stick with a simple 4-3-3 personally...
 
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