Hercules
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This is where we get it all totally wrong
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Tucker
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How so? Who should we be getting rid of in the squad to make way for another youth midfielder? Should we have not signed Bergvall? Or Sarr perhaps? surely no one is suggesting we were wrong to sign Bentancur, Bissouma or Maddison?
I can imagine the kind of meltdown people would have if we stopped signing good players because a youth player might be ready in two or three years.
Hercules
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Oliver Skipp is one example. Hall is special
Tucker
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People were saying the same about Skipp very recently. “Future captain“ I think was the phrase bandied around. If Hall is special, he won’t have a problem beating Skipp to a place in the team.
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then he had an opportunity, and quite frankly he wasnt very good. the same can happen with hall but he would need that opportunity first.
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Skipp dominated every Championship midfield he played against when he was 19/20, of course we hyped him. His injuries since have stifled his development and now sadly it doesn't look like he'll become what we hoped for.
I still think he'll be here next season though, and that Højbjerg and Lo Celso leave.
Tucker
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I just don’t see the logic in an argument that says the club are getting things wrong as there is no pathway to the first team…because we’ve already given a chance to a different promising youngster from a different age group.
Skipp was given a chance, and has proven to be a middling squad player, there’s nothing wrong with that. Skipp himself proves we will give chances to youngsters.
Hall might be a great player, but I don’t believe the club have made a mistake in signing the likes of Devine or Bergvall, or that Donley being ahead of him is a problem either. Not for the club at least, we shouldn’t be putting all our eggs in one basket.
What we need to be better at is getting youngsters out on productive loans, and we seem to be doing better with that of late too. Some of these youngsters will work out, some of them won’t.
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Stamford
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I don't follow the youth teams like many on here who provide some great insight. Would love to see some of these lot just have careers for prem clubs. Sometimes even selling them for good amounts should be seen as a success. Going to be hard for many to get into a top 6 side from any academy
alexis
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You’d forego CL for blooding youngsters?
Spurzinho
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The type of football you're playing matters a lot though. Given a less demanding role in midfield and Skipp could be excellent but Ange demands a ridiculous amount from his no.4's and we've seen that Skippy just can't do it. He likes to keep it nice and simple and he likes to offload the ball as soon as he's under any pressure. That's a really bad fit for Ange's style of football. Its a similar situation with Ben Davies and Emerson. They're not bad fullbacks at all, they're just suited to a totally different way of playing. If Skipp goes, and I don't think he will, it will be because he's not an Ange 4 and he's not an Ange 8. He looks a lot crapper than he is trying to play those roles. Give him a simple holding job and he'll look good again but he'll need to leave to get that opportunity.
I think fans tend to overrate academy players and then underrate them when they don’t meet those inflated expectations.
We keep on hearing about this golden generation now coming through. Assuming they are good enough, I have no doubt that they will have opportunities, like the opportunities Kane, Carroll, Mason, Bentaleb, Winks, Skipp, Walker-Peters, Tanganga all had, to name but a few.
Also the fact we already have several young players like Udogie, van de Ven and Sarr playing key roles in the team, shows age need be no impediment if the players are good enough. I don’t see why Ange would be happy to play young players we bought but have a bias against academy produced players? Several of the youth players are now out on loan gaining experience too.
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easley91
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They'll get an opportunity if Ange feels they have earned it. You can't expect a pathway during Ange's first season when he is just getting his feet under the table, though. Next season, sure. But these players, or more likely family and agents, are impatient. They have to trust those in charge that they know what's right for each players' development.
Aay_Jay_Dee
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Doesn't help when they watch liverpool play their youth players in a cup final...albeit I know they were forced to a bit
easley91
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Liverpool basically had nobody and they have had a system in place for years under Klopp where the youth know their roles and what their position requires if/when they're called upon. We have just started implementing our system through the club this season. it's not going to happen overnight for these lads and that's what I think fans need to understand.
I just read an interview with Donley from after the game on Saturday and he sounded happy with the minutes he has been given so far whilst understanding that he just needs to keep his head down and work hard to continue getting this chances. THAT is the mentality we need.
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Westmorlandspur
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Ally Dick played for us in a UEFA Cup Final. And then what.
The full back is going to be a regular, who knows about the rest. Good story though.
Westmorlandspur
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Put him at right back. Cover for Porro.
Blake Griffin
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you name 8 players yet the one hall is most similar to imo is bissouma.
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One of the great tragedies was that Ally Dick wrecked his knee in that game but was forced to play on with the injury and as a result was never the same player.
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I would argue that Skipp had done more than enough to prove himself, both with Norwich and with us - he was our best midfielder for a spell.
He's just been unfortunate with injuries and the fact that our current playing style doesn't suit his skill set.
He's more than good enough to have a very good PL career, so to say that he wasn't very good is a bit unfair.
