Match Threads Spurs vs West Ham - Match Thread

[goughie1966]

Everton, Newcastle, West Ham at home. 2pts from a possible 9. We're going to need ALL the other top 6 sides to be even shittier to get anything from this season again.

 

[cjbyid]

Well in good news lo celso is taking part in the warm down.

 

[glacierSpurs]

The crumb of comfort im taking is that although Newcastle and West Ham have felt like defeats weve still picked up points, straw clutching I know...

True that, except we should really be trying to build a lead on our rivals when many of them had dropped points this weekend!

 

[ajspurs]

Also as effective as it was at times, we also tried that direct early ball move too many times and conceded possession. It's as if we let the hype of it's effectiveness get to our heads, had to try to keep hold of the ball and effectively build more.

 

[stormfly]

Just watched the Bale chance again. That’s a stonewall pen! He gets pushed over as he shoots! We should have made more of a fuss of that at the time.

 

[spursfan1991]

I genuinely started to believe the title could be ours for the first time as a spurs fan but when that first goal happened for west ham, the shades of 90's, 00's, 10's cameback quick. I think i need therapy.

Despite this result which hurts so bad, i still believe we could achieve something special. We are lacking luck though, the free kicks for spam and newcastle were so harsh and to get punished for them is just so unfortunate. Only Spurs.

 

[Mark_147]

Sanchez is just like a £40 million Kaboul. Error prone and always has me on edge every single time he’s near the ball.

The game fell to pieces when Winks came on the pitch. Funny how we were defending comfortably before that.

 

[goughie1966]

The crumb of comfort im taking is that although Newcastle and West Ham have felt like defeats weve still picked up points, straw clutching I know...

Yep with that sort of way of looking at it is probably why it's 60 years since we won a title

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

I genuinely couldn't see a way we didn't win that at half... Maybe under Poch but I was convinced we were developing this ruthless streak and would go onto score at least one more.

What a mentally weak bunch.

 

[Phil-spur99]

What’s the summary of what Jose has said? Can someone just summarise because I don’t want to have to read all the reports of us being Spursy.

 

[thebenjamin]

Definitely not listening to Talksport for the next few days

Why would anyone ever listen to talksport

 

[rez9000]

Well terrible luck but I've still seen enough to be convinced that we'll do well this season

I think so too. That game is not the exemplar of where we are right now. I reckon what I'm about to say won't go down well with some, but I hope it helps perhaps ease their rage over what just happened (a rage I admit I'm feeling too).

We need to remember that we are still in transition (WAIT!) because of the strange circumstances we're in. Before people rip into me for saying that, allow me to explain. I know, and I fully acknowledge that it sounds like an excuse, but I firmly believe that the start of the season wasn't the completion of the transition process. It was the beginning of the end of the process and we're in the end phase now, because the things needed to end the process could only occur in competitive games. And because it's not fully done yet, there are still a few more wrinkles to iron out, which more games will help to do.

But we're well on the way, as as our good performances have demonstrated. Now, I'm certainly not saying that the second half performance was acceptable, and I also believe that our defence is still the weakest part of our squad. But it's not so bad as to cause us to lose hope for a successful season - whatever success ends up looking like.

Games like this are those last little lessons that help complete a process of change. The lesson here is a simple one: you haven't won a game until the final whistle goes.

Our defence alone wasn't what lost us two points today. What lost us two points was complacency across the whole pitch and not quite enough ruthlessness. And you can't teach that on the training ground. Players have to taste the bitterness of loss on the pitch and a clever manager asking them (as I'm certain Jose will): "do you want that to happen again?", or words to that effect.

Because a defender making a mistake like Sanchez made today will always happen. No player ever has a perfect game. You simply can't legislate for that. And I think Sanchez's problem today was nervousness, which isn't a function of his skill as a player - it's a psychological thing.

We've got the fundamentals right - otherwise we wouldn't have had the first half that we did - it's just now instilling that last little bit of psychological strength, the winning mentality e.g. never thinking you've won the game until the final whistle, and going for the throat for the whole match. That way we break our opponents and drain them of confidence to the point that they become ineffectual and don't end up testing our relatively weak defence. Like we did at Old Trafford.

In one respect, the manner we dismantled Man U a couple of weeks ago may have had negative effects: that the euphoria of destroying them may have made our lads feel invincible, which leads to complacency because the way we ripped the Spammers apart in the first half was reminiscent of what we did to Man U.

So it was natural for the players to think that it had become a foregone conclusion. Unfortunately, that's a bad lesson to learn. I'm not thankful that this happened, but if it was going to happen (and complacency makes it inevitable), I'm glad it happened now rather than in five, ten or 15 games time. It's an opportunity to get it sorted before it becomes entrenched.

I also think it's worth bearing in mind that this is West Ham's cup final. They always want this game. It's quite pathetic, when you think about it. They consider beating or taking points off us as more important than actually trying to maximise their points haul across an entire season, given the uptick in intensity and desire they show when they face us. Plus, it's a derby, which are always unpredictable.

I know how many will be feeling. I feel the same. Dropping points to that shower of shite - it burns! But let's not all lose our shit over what is, in the final analysis, one bad result. There are 33 more games to go, plus the cups and I reckon we'll do good things this year.

COYS!

 

[Donki]

Not good enough, simple as that. Ndombele came off and we lacked drive.

 

[Up From Dover]

Was it me or were there numerous times that Toby looked favourite for a ball and then just stepped off

I thought he kept Antonio quiet.

 

[Reece]

Everton at home. 1 x FK. Header
Southampton away. 1 of 2 goals. Penalty. Other a ball over the top.
Newcastle at home. FK -> Penalty
Man Utd away. Penalty.
West Ham at home. 2 x FK. 1 Header. 1 not defending edge of the box. 1 x OG.

5 out of 8 goals directly from set pieces. 1 other indirectly from a set piece. 2 others non set-piece related.

Concentration levels aren't good enough.

 

[hutchiniho]

He can if he plays less of those weaker players from the last era. The stronger ones are trying to build a new foundation but often slowed down by the liabilities.

Definitely

MD should be starting the the Prem ahead of Aurier
GLC or a fit Lamela would normally set ahead of Sissoko (I hope)
Hopefully Sanchez doesn't see much more Prem game time with Dier and Rodon (not sure if he can step up straight away but his development curve suggests he can)

The difference for me though is that these can should then be at the top of the sales list. If we get half decent offers for Sissoko, Aurier and Sanchez they should be sold. They are not Top4 quality.

I am ok with those guys being bench/squad players but they make far far too many goal conceding mistakes for me.

That should have been a dominant Boss statement performance but we shot ourselves in the foot again.

 

[slartibartfast]

Quite frankly you should be able to take 2 of your better players off when 3-0 with 10 mins to go. It was just pathetic from the usual suspects.

This. This is whats fked me.off the most. I saw Aurier starting and Sanchez and immediately worried. We have such quality in attack that we quickly went 3.0 up but then sat and defended, gave away possesion and it was inevitable we were gonna concede. Never doubted it for a second.
And the the next biggest liability at our club Winks comes on. And as we a know, but Jose doesn't, Winks and Sissoko is a fuckin disaster waiting to happen. And who is at the center of the total catastrophic cluster fuck of an equalizer? The pair of then, Aurier and Winks.
I recently watched an Amazon documentary where JM said to Aurier 'You scare me. You look like you're gonna give away a penalty.'
Well why the fk is this guy on the pitch?
And as for Sanchez, well fk me. I've been done with him for months and yet some keep defending him. Wtf are you watching? Seriously. The bloke is dog shit.
Weak mentality cost us as well today.
One thing I'm pretty sure of that came from the Amazon documentary is that JM didn't tell them at ht to sit in their own half and soak up pressure because the game is over. Some of these players need a kick up the arse.

 

[theShiznit]

Just watched the Bale chance again. That’s a stonewall pen! He gets pushed over as he shoots! We should have made more of a fuss of that at the time.

I said that, he beat the guy and he knew he was beaten so just shoved him to the floor making him shoot wide. How VAR don't see that is beyond me.

 

[Mighty Spurs]

What a way to throw away two points. IMO, As soon as we subbed a couple of players we seemed to go down a gear. When are we going to learn how NOT to concede with set-pieces? .How obvious was it that their second goal started with a through pass and Winks did not have a bloody clue, why bring on Winks who is just a fringe player when we have much better midfielders?. The second half was absolute shambles.

 

[stormfly]

I genuinely started to believe the title could be ours for the first time as a spurs fan but when that first goal happened for west ham, the shades of 90's, 00's, 10's cameback quick. I think i need therapy.

Despite this result which hurts so bad, i still believe we could achieve something special. We are lacking luck though, the free kicks for spam and newcastle were so harsh and to get punished for them is just so unfortunate. Only Spurs.

Same, I’m back to just being hopeful for a top 4 finish now. But willing to be all aboard the title hype when we win the next match.