Match Threads Spurs vs Liverpool - Match Thread - Champions League Final

[Typical Spurs]

It all feels very surreal.

The build up has gripped us all and never have I felt this way about any match.

We had all the family together, all spurs, all ready. And after a minute all that hope, optimism and belief had gone. 1 fucking minute. We've done marvelous to get to the champions League final, but a penalty in the first minute feels like it could only happen to us.

I thought we controlled the whole game. That said I think Liverpool thought "come on then spurs, show us what you got" after they scored after a minute. And what did we show them? Not much. We huffed and puffed but I never thought we looked like scoring.

I feel so weird. They were actually awful IMO. Yet they beat us comfortably 0-2. I feel like we really needed players to step up and be brave tonight, but we were way too passive.

I'm so proud of us getting to a final. Top 4 and a champions League final is an unbelievable achievement. But the way the game panned out has left me feeling just empty. Not really angry at us, or mad, or really frustrated. Just the disbelief that they beat us comfortably 0-2 even though they were terrible.

And I'm not sure what that says about us.

Love to all you fans who travelled with and without tickets. Unbelievable commitment. Be safe and have a safe journey back.

We go again in August, because we're Spurs. And in 10 years time when all of the current players have left or retired, we'll still be supporting and watching, and still loving the top moments and being frustrated with the bad. But that's football.

Dunno what else to say.

 

[Phomesy]

If Danny rose was a pen then Sissoko is pen too. Seems if the ball hits any part of the arm inside the area stopping a shot or pass In The CL then it's being given.
Just weirdly unfortunate

NO NO NO!

Rose's was a deflection from chest onto raised arm as he slid in on a goal bound shot. That was an incredibly harsh decision but at least explicable under the "making oneself bigger unfairly" guideline.

Mane smashed a cross from 2 yards away onto Sissoko's chest which then ricochet' onto his arm which was pointing to direct defenders.

They have redefined "handball" completely. VAR had to ask the ref to at least review the decision.

 

[JayB]

Maybe we can start a petition Liverpool style

So you think it was a penalty then, as the law is written? If not then people are perfectly within their rights to complain on being on the losing end of wrong decision, particularly when it wasn't even reviewed by VAR. No need to take digs at people discussing what was unquestionably the most contentious moment in the biggest match we've played in recent memory.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

The new rule comes in next season though, but yes it's all a bit silly really. We could be seeing a number of penalties like this one sadly.

And we're going to see teams deliberately kicking the ball at opposing players in an attempt to get a pen. Fucking ridiculous.

 

[jolegend]

Just to scatter some ‘happy dust’ on the situation, this also means that our record of being the only English team other than United to win a trophy since the ‘50s is over, marking this as officially our poorest period in terms of trophy success for around 70 years.

Cheers Spurger

 

[Harryson]

Not sure what to make of this. Not the sort of thing you'd display in your trophy cabinet at home.

Daniel Sturridge has two Champions League winners medals and yet never played a single minute in either match.

#FullKitWanker

 

[DCSPUR]

Proud of Poch and the lads
This season was....emotional
Time to regroup #COYS

 

[Thewobbler]

I really thought if we could get one goal we would go on and win but we just couldn't get anything going.

 

[THFC_SWE]

Maybe we can start a petition Liverpool style

I think it's D&D:s fault. It all started with Game of Thrones final season. After that everything just went crazy. Earlier today I got the news that Robert Pattinson will play Batman in the next Batman movie. And now the soft penalty in the final. What's next? The Queen making a rap video with Eminem?

 

[Ionman34]

As the law is currently written, there's no such thing as "regardless of intention." The law explicitly states that "a deliberate act" of playing the ball is a necessary precondition of handling the ball. Sissoko had his arm raised to communicate with the back line, Mane noticed it and booted the ball into his arm. There was no deliberate act, ergo it should not have been a penalty. That it was not referred to VAR is a disgrace.

The kicker is that the first contact was with his chest, it ricocheted onto his arm which was coming down after he was pointing.
These are meant to be experienced officials, but none of them took into account the context of the situation. All they see is an arm away from the body which is struck by the ball.

I’m still gobsmacked at the decision really...

Maybe we should start a petition? ?

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Will this mean the end of defence walls in the penalty area? How can you take the chance that the ball will accidentally hit an arm with the result being a penalty? I can't get my head around this rule and how it can change the game.

 

[JayB]

The kicker is that the first contact was with his chest, it ricocheted onto his arm which was coming down after he was pointing.
These are meant to be experienced officials, but none of them took into account the context of the situation. All they see is an arm away from the body which is struck by the ball.

I’m still gobsmacked at the decision really...

Maybe we should start a petition? ?

It's absolutely gutting. If the ref had taken the time to review the video and parse the precise language of the relevant law, he would not have awarded the penalty. Instead he relied on his instinct when a more deliberative process was available to him, and came to the wrong conclusion. It's sickening.

 

[Thewobbler]

"Roberto Rosetti, the head of Uefa referees, said earlier this year that officials in the Champions League would enforce stricter decisions on handball and that an “unnatural” position of the arm could lead to a free-kick or penalty, meaning the handball does not necessarily have to be “deliberate”, despite what the laws say."

sissoko was an idiot for having his arm raised like that. Still was very harsh but the referees have been instructed.

 

[bat-chain]

The son hand ball that wasn’t was more annoying than the penalty for me.

 

[Phomesy]

He made himself bigger with his arm In That position regardless of his innocent intention
It sucks but it's a handball in this competition
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But what does it matter really, it was given. We lost

That is a false representation of what happened.

The front on image shows it hits him in the CHEST - AND ONLY THE CHEST - first.

It's smashed at him from 2 yards - into the chest - and it's not a goal bound shot or any other thing that might make "making yourself bigger" a thing.

Ffs - are we all just now accepting that handball is a completely different thing than it's been for 100 years?

 

[Phomesy]

Will this mean the end of defence walls in the penalty area? How can you take the chance that the ball will accidentally hit an arm with the result being a penalty? I can't get my head around this rule and how it can change the game.

Exactly this.

Can't believe people are trying to brush off this decision. The ref clearly thought it his chest and arm at same time. It didn't happen like that. It had to be reviewed and the ref would have overturned.

Now we are stuck with this being the "new norm". Awful.

 

[mattie g]

We were simply not good enough, and didn't deserve to win. Boring game. Pool weren't great, but were far better than us. No complaints, other than why - in the biggest game of their careers - did they not turn up?

Still proud that we got to the final though.

Far better than us? Fuck that.

People need to calm the fuck down. We lost, but we were not at all the lesser team today.

 

[JayB]

"Roberto Rosetti, the head of Uefa referees, said earlier this year that officials in the Champions League would enforce stricter decisions on handball and that an “unnatural” position of the arm could lead to a free-kick or penalty, meaning the handball does not necessarily have to be “deliberate”, despite what the laws say."

sissoko was an idiot for having his arm raised like that. Still was very harsh but the referees have been instructed.

Begs the question, why did they abandon the law of the game as it was written? This exact scenario -- a player intentionally playing the ball into the arm of a defender in the box -- is precisely why the laws of the game have included intent as a necessary precondition of handling the ball for a century. The law is still on the books, and should have been enforced as written.

 

[TheSpillage]

That is a false representation of what happened.

The front on image shows it hits him in the CHEST - AND ONLY THE CHEST - first.

It's smashed at him from 2 yards - into the chest - and it's not a goal bound shot or any other thing that might make "making yourself bigger" a thing.

Ffs - are we all just now accepting that handball is a completely different thing than it's been for 100 years?

Yeah, I agree. Don’t really care about the letter of the law The good thing (supposedly) about VAR is that it should be able to look at that incident and SEE that it wasn’t a penalty. Changed the game from 30 seconds in. Hurts

 

[Phomesy]

Yeah, I agree. Don’t really care about the letter of the law The good thing (supposedly) about VAR is that it should be able to look at that incident and SEE that it wasn’t a penalty. Changed the game from 30 seconds in. Hurts

Thing is I don't actually think it "cost" us the game.

But it completely changed the game.

Liverpool turned into Burnley - and I think this actually gave a more of a chance because if we'd scored I think we'd have won. Liverpool were awful and CHOSE to be awful by not playing how they usually play. Because they had that lead. We just couldn't get the goal to take advantage and that was good defending by them and poor final third play by us. But we controlled that game.

So my objections to the penalty are purely about the future of the game - not specific to this one. That is not and never should be a penalty.

And I can't believe people argue otherwise.,